ADHD and Lacking Empathy: Was I Raising a Narcissist?

ADHD, Empathy, and Stimulant Medication: Was I Raising a Narcissist?

What do ADHD, low empathy, and narcissism have in common? Potentially, more than many people realize.

When we consider the negative chatter around “drugging children” for ADHD, what gets lost? Compassion for these children. Compassion for their families.

Many children with ADHD suffer cognitive impairments far beyond the classroom. They suffer impairments that distort any reasonable person’s idea of a “happy childhood.”  I’m referring to impairments that, in fact, also threaten to negatively shape the course of their entire lives, especially their relationships. These impairments include deficits in empathy, reciprocity, reflection, and remorse.

What’s more, in the wrong mental health professional’s hands, a child lacking empathy and having sense of entitlement can invite a dire diagnosis: narcissistic personality disorder—or even psychopath.  (When Your Child Is a Psychopath, an extremely hidebound and punishing look at the phenomenon.)

If that child also has ADHD, there is a good chance that the first-line medication for ADHD, the neuro stimulants, can enhance empathy—along with all the other “higher-order” brain functions.  This is not hard to understand, but it is not common knowledge. ADHD treatment can help the child have access to these brain functions.

In this post, Taylor J, the host of the “You, Me, and ADHD Book Club,” shares this story of her eldest child’s recent ADHD diagnosis and treatment.

Taylor had despaired that her daughter would grow up to resemble her own parents: narcissistic and lacking empathy. Generally speaking, empathy deficits form the foundation for narcissism.

Taylor and her husband tried to teach empathy to the girl, but the lessons never took hold. Or, so they thought.

—Gina Pera

ADHD empathy narcissismBy Taylor J.

The Number One most profound thing I’ve learned about ADHD is this: it can create trouble connecting “cause” with “effect.” And that can create a world of trouble.

For example, a student will not see his poor study habits as the reason for his poor grades. Instead, he’ll blame a “mean” teacher. A wife will not see that her cutting, sarcastic words caused her husband to withdraw emotionally. Instead, she’ll call him “cold.” A young man will not see that his reckless driving and speeding caused a car accident. Instead, he’ll blame barely there weather conditions.

It doesn’t take a genius to see that continually failing to connect actions with consequences will wreak havoc on a person’s life. Worse, it can kill the potential for relationships.

I saw this play out starkly in my 10-year-old daughter. I call her “The Firecracker.”

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I Vowed To Be Different From My Parents

First, let me give you some background.

My parents are horribly mentally ill, and they refuse treatment. Instead, they blamed everyone else for their troubles—and drowned their sorrows in alcohol, drugs, and pity parties. Even when I was in the hospital—sick or with a new baby—my parents could only talk about themselves. I found their utter lack of empathy horrifying.

When I married and started a family of my own, I vowed to be different. Yet, in raising my first-born child, the oldest of four girls, I watched helplessly as every lesson about empathy I tried to impart seemed to bounce cleanly off her soul.

What do I mean by that? Well, she would exploit others. She would set up games where everyone had to treat her like a queen visiting from another planet—or convince friends to “share” their favorite toys and clothes. Forever.

I even caught her in an elaborate kindergarten “protection racket” at one point: taking her sister’s money to keep monsters away. (She’d already made 6 dollars!)

She would take—but never give. Her friends would give her presents, invitations, or compliments. Yet she never saw any need to return the favor.

In fact, she would complain if a compliment missed a detail, or if the gift didn’t fit just right. She would even go to a friend’s house and critique their clothes or décor for them! “You really shouldn’t have that dollhouse—it’s for babies. You should get a Barbie dollhouse.” Seriously? Where did you learn this?

I was asking the wrong question. As I came to learn much later, hers wasn’t learned behavior. It was innate.

No “Cause and Effect”—Only “Mean Parents”

My husband and I explained, repeatedly, that her words hurt other people: “How would you feel if Ginny came to your house and said your dollhouse was for babies?”

The Firecracker, looking confused, would reply, “But my dollhouse is not for babies, so she would never say that!” We would punish her for saying cruel words—and she never understood why she was being punished. We were just “mean parents.” The type she might be complaining in the future to a therapist—who won’t have the full picture.

There was more. She would explode over the tiniest frustration. Itchy seams on her socks. Bedcovers not being straight. Her oatmeal being the slightest bit “too watery.” Her low frustration tolerance would set her off on an explosive tantrum—and others were always to blame.

Sporadic Bursts of Caring—and Low Frustration Tolerance

I remember when she was only one year old, screaming at the shape-sorter because she couldn’t make the block go in the way she wanted it to. We did see sporadic bursts of caring from her— we could just never predict when they would happen.

Her first words upon meeting her sister: “I’m going to watch out for her, and make sure she doesn’t run out into the street without me!” At age 3, she started punching a preschool classmate who came up and shook her baby sister’s car seat carrier (while I was talking to a teacher). She was afraid he would hurt the baby’s “soft spot.”

When I was violently ill with another pregnancy, she proclaimed to her sister, “Don’t worry. When Mom throws up, I’ll make you a sandwich.”

Words, however,  rarely met actions.

The Firecracker screamed at her sister for adjusting her stuffed-animal display. My second daughter would dissolve into tears, and ask, “Why doesn’t she love me?” The Firecracker’s response?  Her sister’s sobs were disturbing her reading time.

Without the larger context, you might take this as typical sibling rivalry. But it was much more troubling.

I had started to wonder if I was raising a narcissist.

 

A Shocking Change

My husband and I both have ADHD. We both take medication. I know full well the dramatic changes in cognition and behavior the medication provides.

But when The Firecracker was finally diagnosed with ADHD this past July and began medication treatment, even I was not prepared for the change that followed.

I gave her the first dose of Ritalin. Two hours later, as we were returning from the grocery store, she said, “Mom, you can’t carry all that. Let me help you!” She grabbed two grocery bags and the diaper bag. “You need to ask for help when you need it, mom!”

Then, when the baby started crying: “Oh, honey, come here and let me hug you! Don’t worry, mom, I’ve got her—I know you’re making lunch.”

When I had to change plans that she’d been looking forward to: “Aw, that stinks, but I know you didn’t try to make it hard for me. We can go tomorrow.”

To be clear: My daughter had not become some creepy “good child” automaton.  She was still herself.  But a better emotionally regulated version of herself. A more content version of herself.

This much was obvious: She was as relieved as we were with the changes.

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Our Firecracker, constantly in motion. With her little sister

 

“It’s Going to Be Okay”

Five hours later, the medication had worn off. The Firecracker came to me, tears streaming down her face, screaming, “Mom! This is awful!!! The baby won’t stop crying! [The baby had cried for one minute.] Is this what it felt like all the time when I wasn’t on medication?”

I took her by the shoulders, looked her in the eye, lowered my voice, and said, “Don’t worry. It’s going to be okay. Yes, this is what it was like all the time. Take your next dose, then sit here and watch something on TV while I set a timer. When the timer goes off, your next dose will have kicked in.” I wiped her tears and turned on something funny.

Half an hour went by. When she felt better, she looked up at me, and said, “Mom, maybe you should get me a puzzle book to work on when I’m angry. Then I can calm down without yelling at anyone.”

I watched the rest of the night as she spoke lovingly to her sisters and forgave them when they committed the grave sin of touching her stuff.

Relief At Connections Made

As she was reading her favorite book before bed, she looked up and said, “Mom, now I understand why Eragon sighed so deeply when he saw his brother: He was afraid his brother would become a rider, too!” Even the stories were becoming more clear.

Remember, this is just the first day of ADHD treatment.

I asked my husband to tuck the girls into bed that night. Then I turned on the shower and broke down into sobs as the water washed over my face. With immense gratitude and relief, I finally realized that my daughter was not a narcissist. She actually did take in the lessons about compassion and empathy that we were teaching her, but she simply couldn’t access them when she needed to.

My daughter had been suffering from a treatable brain condition, not an incurable evil that was lurking behind her smile.

Maybe my parents can be helped to change their narcissistic behaviors, too. I can only hope that they’ll reach a point where they’re willing to try treatment.

So, the next time you hear someone gasp at the thought of putting a child on medication for ADHD, please remember my Firecracker. Please know that it is beyond the control of many people with ADHD, including children, to make certain cause-effect connections.

Please know that, since beginning to take stimulant medication, my girl is happier and healthier than she has ever been. (More about that in a future post from Gina.)

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The Firecracker’s Comic: Overcoming a Struggle

I’ll close with this amazing comic that The Firecracker drew for school. I had nothing to do with this. My daughter loves graphic novels, including authors such as Raina Telegmar, and has created dozens of comics in that style.

Recently, her class read a story called The Dot, about overcoming a difficult struggle. In response, they were to write about a struggle that they overcame. This is my girl’s story.

The Research

From Gina:

This phenomenon is more common than the mental-health profession seems to realize. That is, the association among ADHD, lacking empathy, and narcissistic behavior.

This post (ADHD and Empathy: A Study, Book Excerpt, and Empathy Defined) tackles the topic from several angles:

1. Defining empathy (it’s not what most people think).

2. Excerpting a passage on empathy and relationships from Is It You, Me, or Adult A.D.D.?

3. Sharing details from yet another study pointing to a connection between dopamine and cognitive empathy.

A sneak preview of the study:  It confirms my observation that stimulant medication often enhances empathy in people with ADHD.

But wait. This happens not because the medication “creates empathy.” Rather, the medication enhances dopamine transmission. That, in turn, allows some people with  ADHD to focus on and access this “higher-order” brain function. In fact, it is one they have always possessed but haven’t been able to reliably access.

Empathy sounds simple. But it’s really a complex phenomenon. In fact, some people with ADHD have trouble reining in their empathy; medication often helps them, too. As with many ADHD-related challenges, it’s all about the self-regulation.

 

How about you? Have you noticed a difference in your child’s

expressions of empathy or mood-regulation post-treatment for ADHD?

I welcome your perspectives.

—Gina Pera

59 thoughts on “ADHD and Lacking Empathy: Was I Raising a Narcissist?”

  1. Such an interesting article – I’m glad to hear that Firecracker is doing so well.

    I believe that my parent in their 60s suffers from undiagnosed ADHD (the parent themselves believes so, as do others in the immediate family).

    I grew up with so much fear and anxiety around their erratic, angry outbursts. They are incredibly defensive about even the smallest things. They were either disinterested, or mean and critical. I wonder if ADHD is largely to blame, or if there may be other issues at play as well.

    I don’t know if they would be willing to see anyone or try medication, but is there any hope of change at this later stage in life?

    1. Hi Sam,

      It’s hard to fathom how many people have gone to therapy after growing up with such parents as you describe.

      It’s entirely possible that ADHD plus a lifetime of poor coping responses can credited with the behaviors.

      There is no “cookie cutter” anything about ADHD. Definitely, with impaired higher-order brain functions, some very hurtful, emotionally dysregulated, and narcissistic behaviors are possible.

      Yes, it depends on your parents’ attitude, but definitely: People in their 60s and older have found benefit from treatment.

      The trick will be finding a physician to treat ADHD in the 65+ set, especially if there is a physical condition (hypertension, etc.). Stimulant medications are not necessarily contraindicated for those conditions but many physicians will feel uncomfortable, given poor knowledge of ADHD treatment.

      I hope this helps.
      g

  2. Great article. I was like your daughter growing up and really damaged my family relationships. I had rapid mood swings, a nasty temper, and it was hard to genuinely connect with people (and engage in the give and take the defines all relationships).

    Junior year of college I was diagnosed with ADHD (inattentive) and went on adderall. After my first dose kicked in I immediately felt “warmer” towards people. It was easier to empathize with them, my mood swings stopped, and I actually wanted/could help people out. If I saw my mom needed help (even drying the dishes) I wouldn’t help because it would be painfully boring.

    Soon as I went on adderall I found I could do things I don’t “enjoy” (basically anything that would involve helping someone else) without feeling painfully bored. It also helped me listen to other people and remain engaged.

    1. Hi Jake,

      Thanks for sharing your experience.

      As I read it (as I have read many others like it), I thought, “This is why so many people remain skeptical (including mental-health professionals); it just sounds ‘too easy’ and changing behavior should be haaarrrrddd and takes years of therapy and “processing.”

      good for you.
      g

  3. Hi,

    I came across your website whilst trying to calm down from another very angry outburst from my 22 year old son.
    He overdosed about a fortnight ago, and on the back of that the Dr said he thought he has adhd, depression and anxiety. He prescribed antidepressants and asked my son to come back in 2 weeks.
    He has taken the meds for the 2 weeks but due to covid19 and all the uncertainty he did not return for his appt or the next 2 weeks meds.
    Life really is a rollercoaster, his moods are either loud, angry or stoned. He has no concept of consequence or responsibilities.
    I was so hopeful when he had seen the Dr, but I also knew that the biggest part would be to see if he kept the 2nd appt,, he doesn’t finish anything.
    I’m struggling between having had enough and wanting to see him better.
    I don’t think I can take anymore of his angry outburst and always being the one to blame, when he was at school it was the teachers who were at fault, through his teens it was his dad, there’s always somebody else at fault and I’m just so tired of it all, I just feel so tired of it all like there is no end in sight.

    1. Dear Fran,

      I feel great sympathy for parents in your situation. I hear from them quite often — and several have attended my local group over the years.

      It’s very hard to get on top of ADHD treatment once bad habits and patterns have taken hold, over years. Finding competent medical care is one problem. But their wanting independent is another.

      Then there is the mental healthcare professionals who fail to see the importance of third-party feedback, who don’t want the “controlling” parents to have any say.

      I wonder why the doctor would prescribe antidepressants if the doctor thought the primary condition (based on the listing) is ADHD.

      You are trapped now. Maybe best to, in your mind at least, call a truce. Don’t try to make him be more responsible now. That’s a losing battle.

      If you haven’t already, I encourage you to read my first book. It’s really important that someone (the patient or loved one) be educated and able to help guide treatment.

      https://amzn.to/2xjwn7k

      While it’s no answer in itself, the chapters on “denial” might help you to understand the scape-goating.

      I wish you some peace and healing.

      g

    2. Fran,
      My daughter is much like your son. She had severe ADHD and ODD at an early age. She went on Ritalin in kindergarten because she was too disruptive for school. At 14 she was bigger than me and began to refuse her meds due to kids teasing her. She had to take it 4 times a day. She became very combative and even physically abusive towards me.
      I have tried repeatedly to have a relationship to no avail. She is 35 and EVERYTHING is still MY fault.
      I live in California and she is in Washington state, thank god!
      I have my own mental health issues. I have anxiety, PTSD, depression and at 58 finally getting my own treatment for ADHD.
      My guilt that I wasnt a “good enough” mom is just bull. My therapist does not want me talking to her because to add to her problems, she is self medicating with alcohol and it just makes it worse. She is in denial that she has any responsibility in any of this. Highly verbally abusive towards most everyone, violent outbursts, she can be quite frightening. I cannot help her. She thinks she is fine. I can only address my own mental health at this point. God bless you and your situation. It’s very difficult.

    3. Dear Penny,

      I can only imagine how difficult it’s been for you.

      “Denial” is real — and it can be devastating. That’s why I included three chapters about it in my first book. It’s critically important and so little understood, especially by the mental-health profession.

      Take care of yourself,
      g

  4. I should leave an update, lol!
    After The Firecracker had stabilized on her current medication, our pediatrician was happy to take over prescribing duties for only the $15 copay. 🙂
    WHEW!

  5. My 13 year old son is doing so well on methylphenidate and wellbutrin ! My problem is the Dr doesn’t want him on methylphenidate during the summer (or weekends). Dr doesn’t want his growth to be stunted. My son’s “selfish, wild” behavior is so disturbing to all of us when he isn’t taking that. It’s hard to remember his bad behavior isn’t because I’m raising an “awful” kid. What do you suggest?

    1. Hi Lori,

      Sigh. The nutty things that physicians say.

      Can you find a more competent physician? I am serious.

      1. IS your son’s growth stunted? Is there any evidence of that?
      2. Is his appetite suppressed?

      If so, that is an indicator of poor prescribing. Meds can be adjusted or replaced to eliminate that side effect.

      If the prescriber is also failing to treat co-existing conditions such as anxiety, depression, etc. (which can be exacerbated by the stimulants and thus can affect appetite), that’s a problem.

      You are your son’s mother. He is counting on you to protect him from incompetence. Whether he realizes that or not! 🙂

      Be strong! Demand better! Find better!

      best,
      g

    2. Hi Lori!
      This is outdated information that, unless your son is showing SIGNS OF APPETITE SUPRESSION AND STUNTED GROWTH, should truly not be an issue. 🙁

      Doctors who don’t specialize in mental health have *fear* drilled into their brains about stimulants and abuse. In the last ten years, I’ve never had a single doctor or pharmacist focus on the benefits before the supposed risks.

      So, yes, as Gina said, GET A DIFFERENT DOCTOR. Get a psychiatrist or psychiatric NP, and be prepared to show him or her, “My son has shown ZERO growth retardation, and eats like a horse. He’s under an immense amount of distress without the meds. I want him covered on weekends and summers.” Get one that you have to **pay out of pocket** if you must.

      I do. 🙁 Tomorrow, I get to go pay $500 to a psychiatrist for The Firecracker, because the wait would be almost a year to get her into a practitioner on our insurance plan. It’s worth every penny. She’s worth every penny.

      I’m so glad you found us. 😀

    3. Thanks, Taylor.

      You have to pay $500!!!???

      I’d appeal that. In the strongest possible terms. GRRR

      g

  6. I had a child so much like yours, and medication was a godsend. When she was young, some people would tell me she just needed to be disciplined, not medicated, and then would accuse me of bad parenting. Only I had two older ones who weren’t ADHD, so I understood this one was different. So I began social training by using the TV to freeze expressions on faces, and then we would talk about what she saw. When she was angry, I had floor puzzles, a puzzle book, and washable markers for a wall so she could scribble out her frustrations. She also has a co-morbid condition, NF1, along with some learning disabilities, but the research on the brains of kids with NF1 showed they could develop new pathways to learning over a long period of time. It was hard, as I was by then a single parent with a child who looked and acted younger, and who blamed everything that happened on outside events. So I started teaching that every choice had a consequence, and she needed to think about the consequence and whether or not she was willing to accept the consequences of her choices. She is 25 now, has finished 2 years of college, has a great job with benefits, and no longer takes medication. Instead, she comes to me every time something upsets her, which is every day, and we talk through possible solutions. She is highly empathetic, literally giving away what she owns. She gives money to good causes, like providing wells and cows to remote villages in Africa, and she can be counted on to be the first to help me as I am aging. She is a godsend. She is still energetic, impulsive, passionate. But all those lessons from so long ago? They worked. It wasn’t a quick or easy process, but it was worth the time and effort. I applaud all the families who have ADHD members for your love and compassion, and I will be the first one to back you when you turn to meds for help. If your child is in public school, I would recommend http://www.wrightslaw.com. They helped me so much in the beginning, and were part of what helped my child graduate high school with the Regent’s core requirement. I didn’t try to raise her by myself, and would encourage all of you that there are resources out there for you, too. Thank you again for an incredible article. It was a blessing to read.

    1. Hi Lily,

      Thanks so much for taking the time to write this thoughtful comment. I know that it will help others.

      And yes, Wrightslaw.com is an excellent source.

      How fortunate your daughter was to have you as her mother — and for you to have such an empathic and energetic daughter.

      If I may be so bold, perhaps you want to think about encouraging your daughter to try medication again. There are many good options. If the reason she stopped the medication is side effects, the plethora of options and our level of knowledge these days mean that she might have a better experience now.

      It might not be the best long-term strategy for her to rely on you to “talk her through” daily upsets. What will she do when you’re not around?

      My best to you both.

      Gina

  7. Hi Gina-Every night I sit in my basement by myself and read, read, read…everything I can about adhd. For my forever fiance and my 7 year old daughter.

    My fiance was diagnosed as a child but discontinued meds as an adult saying they made him like a zombie. I knew this going in but was not educated on the diagnosis and only knew of it as “something kids grow out of.” Boy is that the furthest thing from the truth.

    Since the first couple of years of our relationship was mostly great, until I’m sorry to say we bought a house and had our first child, I didn’t realize the affects it would have on our relationship. Not until the last two years after the pregnancy and birth of our son.

    I noticed the same behaviors in our daughter that he displayed and knowing what a loving and giving mom I have been and also have tried a million different parenting methods, did I start to realize it could be adhd. Sorry for the long post, I’m kind of venting as your story has brought me to tears.

    I have tried to talk to my fiance about mess. He refuses, he gets angry with me whenever I bring it up. He agrees with me however that our daughter has it and we should get her diagnosed to start treatment. I have been battling in my head the idea of med’s for her not because I am against it but because I am afraid of the effect since she hasn’t hit puberty yet, do you have any insight for me on this?

    Also I am afraid because I don’t want it to change all the greatness about what I believe is her adhd. I don’t want her to be a zombie and then I think she has trouble at school but it’s behavioral not so much academically…yet. I guess I’m afraid not to and I’m afraid to…if that makes any sense.

    And then there’s my fiance whom I love dearly but I want to run….far far away and yet I want to stay and help him but I don’t think I have the energy for both especially since he refuses help. And don’t even get me started on my fear of our youngest having it too. It’s all too much for me to handle at this point.

    I joke and say I take meds (xanax) so nobody else has too but it’s really not funny anymore. I don’t no where to start. Because a unit in parenting is important but so is the well being of our daughter. I made an appointment with a psychologist for her to be tested because I want someone experienced.

    But then what. How do I help him or do I uproot her in the midst of all of this.

    Again I am sorry for this long post. I just need advice from someone who understands and nobody I talk to does. Thank you for your time. I hope to be sitting in my shower one day soon from relief instead of hopelessness.

    1. Hi Ang,

      Of course you need someone to talk with who understand your situation. I know…it’s hard to find such people.

      I invited you to join my online private group. It’s free.

      Here is the information:

      https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/ADHD_Partner/info

      As far as your priorities and what to do next….I strongly encourage you to learn more about ADHD and it’s treatment strategies, including medication. Help your child with treatment before deciding anything else. Especially if your fiancee is providing financial support. One thing at a time. Put your child’s diagnosis and potential treatment as top priority.

      Please don’t worry about your child’s “personality” going away. You say that she has behavioral problems, and those will present greater and greater problems to her (and you) as time goes on. Please don’t delay. The time to help her onto a better track is NOW.

      But please learn about the medications first, so you can be a smart advocate for her. My book goes into the important details.

      http://amzn.to/2kFDNHz

      And there is an overview of information parents should have here:

      http://www.chadd.org/Understanding-ADHD/For-Parents-Caregivers.aspx

      And some general info on medication here:

      http://www.chadd.org/Understanding-ADHD/For-Parents-Caregivers/Treatment-Overview/Managing-Medication.aspx

      One more bit of advice….please consider something other than Xanax. Your physician should NOT have prescribed that for ongoing anxiety. There are better medications toward that purpose, with less “rebound.” So, I’d try to find another MD entirely if that was the best he/she could do for you.

      It’s no joke…you’re right. You should not be taking medication when it’s other family members’ poorly managed ADHD that is driving up your anxiety.

      Good luck!

      Gina

  8. [quote]Thank you, everyone, for your kind responses. ONE THING I NEED TO MENTION: since ADHD is a disorder of *regulation*, the OPPOSITE problem can also show up: people who are so dang empathetic that they’ll give you the shirt off their back, and go naked in the snow, because they love you. [/quote]

    I was reading this conversation and the moment I read this, something his home for me. I have blamed myself, for this weakness of over-empathy most of my life. “What a sap” I’d think, or “You’re inviting people to take advantage” and never quite able to see things clearly, so many thoughts, which is better to not help, to not care, or to put me first. I assure you that it becomes what I thought was a moral conundrum.

    But reading these few lines above (thank you Taylor J) I had this moment of relief as if a watershed of understanding for myself had opened and I caught myself saying, “It really isn’t all my fault.”

    Lack of regulation is what I’ve been up against.

  9. I’m not saying that it isn’t a real condition – I’m sorry that I gave that impression. And yes I realize it is anecdotal (except that the people in question are not anonymous to me). As for that – you are anonymous to me as well, but your daughter’s story is quite remarkable and I think it’s wonderful that she was so self aware as to be able to tell the medication helped. That is amazing and pretty much indisputable.

    What concerns me are the ones that fall through the cracks either with misdiagnoses or wrong diagnoses or poor followup on treatment. I’ve taken antidepressants even though I hated to have to do it, but it helped me get a little bit of motivation going to deal with the underlying problem which was chronic pain that was going undiagnosed (they were telling me the pain was caused by my depression and not the other way around, but they did not know me before).

    Also, I am pretty sure I would have been diagnosed as ADHD or something except that I was able to concentrate obsessively on things I liked. I do remember my mom telling me that when the doctor prescribed multivitamins for me as a toddler, she gave them to me and I made her want to climb the walls. 🙂 So she stopped and I calmed down.

    I have allergic reactions to things so that likely paid a role too.

    I am wondering – if you had ever read the story of the lady who found that her daughter reacted to wheat/gluten with this sort of ADHD neurological reaction instead of a GI pain reaction like most do? That was also quite astonishing.

    Again please accept my apology for sounding like I was trying to dismiss your story. I was not, not at all. My clumsy writing is all I can chalk it up to.

    1. “misdiagnoses or wrong diagnoses” sorry that should be “going undiagnosed or mis diagnosed”

    2. HI Paula,

      Thank you for the clarification. No apology necessary, but thank you. I am sorry I misunderstood. Your comment was so typical of the “ADHD deniers” online, and I took it as such.

      From all that you write about yourself, I would strongly encourage you to consider an evaluation for ADHD and stimulant medication treatment.

      Most people with ADHD can focus on something they like to do. It’s regulating their focus that is the problem, shifting focus to things they need to do but might not want to do.

      Interesting reaction to the vitamins. It seems that there is a higher incidence of gluten sensitivity among people with ADHD. (I’ve also had friends with ADHD who found that stimulant medication calmed their hay-fever, so who knows, it might help with the gluten issue, too.)

      There might be people with gluten intolerance only who manifest ADHD-like symptoms when exposed to gluten, but that’s not the same as having ADHD.

      I also know many women with ADHD whose chronic-pain issues improve on a stimulant medication. For the most part, this might stem from an issue with sleep, which ADHD can create havoc with.

      Please keep learning. There are lots of great articles on my blog.

      By the way, my name is Gina, I am the author of a popular book on ADHD and I write most pieces on this blog. But the piece you’re commenting on (“Raising a Narcissist”) was written by my friend, who has ADHD.

      Best,
      g

  10. I do know that it is over diagnosed in some cases. I had a friend whose teachers claimed her daughter was ADD/ADHD. My friend was surprised because she didn’t act that way at home. My friend took her to the doc, doc gave a prescription, prescription never got filled. The teachers asked what the results of the visit were, and the mother replied “yes the doctor diagnosed her and gave her a prescription.” The teachers IMMEDIATELY began commending the mom and the girl on the dramatic change in her behavior even though she had taken nothing.

    1. Hi Paula,

      Medical conditions of all types of commonly misdiagnosed; that’s no secret. It seems, last I heard, the rate was about 25 percent. For ALL medical conditions.

      As for your anecdote, sorry, but I put no stock in anonymous stories. That one in particular is quite commonly repeated throughout the Internet.

      There could be many things going on with that child—ADHD, child abuse at home, disorganization and chaos at home, poor diet, poor sleep, etc.

      The fact is, many teachers mention the possibility of ADHD because they see the child is having problems. They do this out of concern.

      Sure, I suppose some bad teachers might have a “thing” against active children and lack classroom-management skills. But overall, that has not been my experience in teachers who suggest that parents might want to screen for ADHD.

      It’s a big country; anything can happen.

      Overall, however, many children who have ADHD are missing the diagnosis, and thus a better path in life.

      Only 10-15 percent of adults with ADHD are diagnosed. Most wish their ADHD had been recognized, and understood, as children.

      best,
      g

  11. Gina:
    Just finished having dinner with my husband and ADHD son, age 36, who still spends inordinate amounts of time at his parents’ house (us) because he and his girlfriend don’t get along – and according to him, it’s all her fault. We tried medication when he was a child – he had idiosyncratic reactions/side effects (some were horrible – so he doesn’t trust meds now). Long story short, now he’s almost middle age, has a history of repeated failure in jobs, relationships, life. The blame game is alive and well but I can see it’s a defense mechanism, as when he’s less stressed, he’s more congenial and much easier to live with. I wish I could convince him to work consistently with a doc to find the right meds – but it’s a Catch 22 – he doesn’t have health insurance because he doesn’t have a job because he has problems with his untreated ADHD – and of course, because nothing is his fault and there’s nothing wrong with him (according to him), he won’t go. The cause/effect problem you mentioned really hit the nail on the head. I can only hope someday he will be willing to try medication again. Any advice, comments, would be much appreciated! Due to his living here, I am the one on medication – Xanax!! 😉

    1. Hi Carol,

      I wish I wasn’t so familiar with the situation you describe, and I’m definitely sorry you find yourself in it.

      So many pediatric medication attempts go wrong, because too few MDs know how to skillfully prescribe. Including teasing out comorbid conditions.

      I’d say it’s worth an investment on your part, if you can afford it, to get him care. Paying out of pocket might not be as expensive as you think. And it surely beats him being poorly functioning.

      I would encourage you to read the medication chapters in my first book, Is It You, Me, or Adult A.D.D.?

      Patients and their loved ones must be educated. If you’re not educated, you won’t even be able to assess if the MD is competent to treat ADHD. And if you are, you can better work as a team.

      Good luck!
      g

  12. So sad. You give knowledge and empathy, but so sad. It is a different kind of sadness than psychiatric
    disorders. Whew. Out of control all the time and doing such obnoxious things they have no control or insight over. You do have a mission, but it is a sad one. Sandra

    1. Sandra, thank you so much. Yes, it’s a sad mission, but when it comes to our kids, or our spouse, what are the other options? Divorce or abandonment. 🙁 I’m so thankful that Gina’s book is out there, because it kept our family together, and gave us real answers that actually worked, and changed lives. <3 And I love every comment you make on here, by the way. 😀 It just brightens my day.

  13. Typing this on my phone, as my laptop needs repairs. I can’t say all I would if I were typing with 10 fingers instead of one.

    So many things in this story resonate with me and my own experience with ADHD. It’s both horrifying and validating to read this example of how ADHD can make anyone – even a child – behave so monstrously.

    I’m glad for Taylor and her daughter that they found the solution before more of their lives were hijacked. Life before diagnosis/meds sounds appallingly difficult – for both of them.

    I would say “Imagine what it would be like being married to an ADULT whose late-diagnosis ADHD was causing a similar problem expressing empathy – in addition to all the other behaviors that insidiously emerge, year by year, making your life so hellish that you – the non-ADHD spouse – are on disability, with no support system as a result.”

    I would say “imagine,” but I don’t have to. Because I’m living it.

    Jeannine
    aka Kidlet_who_Cooks

    1. Hi Jeannine,

      Yes, I know. The challenges around empathy can be the deal-breaker. It’s one thing to understand forgetfulness, etc. But with a lack of empathy….a soul-killer.

      g

    2. Hi Jeannine, I totally understand what you’re living with. I have the same situation. I did not understand the lack of empathy within my husband until my 12 year old daughter was telling me about psychopathic behaviour and er frustrations with her father. It really opened my eyes and so I started reading about this more and the relationship with ADHD and narcissism. His diagnosis wasn’t until adulthood when I was in his life for a few years even though he had numerous childhood difficulties and behaviour issues. He never learnt to cope with his condition or to understand it properly and so it has made his adulthood super challenging and our relationship is always taxed in different ways due to this.
      B~

  14. I can totally relate to the mentally ill parents who don’t seek out treatment out of old-fashioned ways. My dad has a pretty clear-cut case of ADHD, with angry flashes to go along. Needless to say the two of us had our scuffles. Like you though, Gina, I took it as a lesson to do better for the next generation.

  15. I’ve written a blog post on this subject, where I look at the dangers of NOT treating childhood ADHD, as seen from a comorbidity angle, and the increased risk of adulthood adversities. You can find it at my blog Gina, and it is called “How To Create The Psychopaths Of The Future”. It is based on Dr. Susan Young and Dr. Barkley’s research in comorbidity and risk of incarceration.

    1. Hi Peter.

      Thanks for letting me know. I left a couple of comments.

      Important info.

      I will be interested in the design of the study made with the $250K grant. No doubt it will be sloppy.

      best,
      g

  16. When our son was 5 (he is now 11) he started medication. Before that time, anytime we went on vacation, he would throw tantrums upon tantrums in the car. Our first vacation after he started medicine we were on our way home, almost there, we realized he did not have one tantrum the whole week.
    Since then we have had the ups and downs of trying to get the right medicine for him, but he is a wonderful work in progress.

    1. Hi Sherry,

      Poor kid! Poor parents!

      I’m glad things are going better for all.

      Thanks for your comment.

      Happy travels,
      g

  17. The new school year was beginning and now my son was in Middle School. I kept thinking “how can we not help him when there is something that will help him!?” We went to the doctor and he finally prescriibed Adderal; I was in tears thinking someone is finally going to help us.. The change was miraculous. I thought I was dreaming because everything up until then had been a struggle,an argument, misunderstanding and frustration. I could not allow him to start a new school where he could have a fresh start and not be the “out of control ” child. The daily phone calls stopped from the school telling me of my sons transgressions each day. His grades began improving. Thank you to all who have struggled through to help me believe I wasn’t a bad Mom for putting my son on some much needed medication.

  18. I have lived this, as a stepmom, and as a milder version of this as a young girl. The ADD brain can get very catatonic, even while exploding! I would jump on the furniture when it was too cold and snowy to play outside, and when I was punished, would blame my furniture wrecking on the weather. Stuck in a blame tape loop. And I would take on the punishment so hard that I would threaten to kill myself since my parents “hated me so much.” I saw this as a step mom, with my unmedicated ADHD son, (Bio mom refused to do meds.) He was so hard to do rewards and consequences with, because he would either see no cause and effect, or he would get stuck in a tape loop of blame, to himself. No turnaround. Finally self-medicating with marijuana scared his mom into trying meds. And such a change.
    Anyway….
    So refreshing to read the instant results of medication, after reading so many pseudo-science articles lately about how we are over-drugging our children and making them compliant for our own comfort, or inventing ADD because we want to create kids who fit in the box of school, when really they are creative and gifted Einsteins who don’t fit in a box.

    1. Hi Kendra,

      Well, in a sense, it was the weather’s fault! 🙂

      And yes…how on earth do you do “rewards and consequences” with an impulsive child who cannot remember or see cause and effect. I’ve never understood that. And it’s especially concerning given the CDC ADHD department’s rigid stance on “behavior therapy first.”

      Glad to hear your stepson finally got the help he deserved.

      Thanks for your comment!

      g

  19. Beautifully written! And the story is so moving that I will refrain from making any wisecracks about the “gift” of ADHD. Oh. One thing. My parents tended towards narcissism. They could be woken out of it, but not always.

  20. Thank you, everyone, for your kind responses. ONE THING I NEED TO MENTION: since ADHD is a disorder of *regulation*, the OPPOSITE problem can also show up: people who are so dang empathetic that they’ll give you the shirt off their back, and go naked in the snow, because they love you. 🙁 An example of this *may* be Fanny Crosby, the blind hymn writer who gave away all of her money, lived in poverty, and separated from her musician husband over “creative differences.” I’m not a psychiatrist, and I can’t diagnose her, but I see the hyper-empathetic all the time in my ADHD friends, and even among our own family.

    1. HI Taylor — Thanks for mentioning that opposite extreme.

      This was touched upon in this previous post on ADHD and empathy especially in the comments—including this one:

      What a huge light bulb moment. I created a nickname for the behavior that goes with it, a long time ago. Save the world syndrome. I have been obsessed with justice and fairness my entire 45 years of life. Have been ADHD aware for 20 plus years but is never ceases to amaze me how much new there is to learn to go along with it. This information is very helpful for myself and my 11 year old mini me

      Even when a person has abundant empathy (and as I wrote about in that post, there are different types of empathy), there is the question of regulating it. You can have empathy for starving children on the other side of the world, and do what you can to help. But should it mean neglecting your own children?

      best,
      g

  21. Taylor’s done it again. So good that the two of you hooked up. She digs deep and puts her emotions on the line with everything she writes. Loved her Book Club reviews of your work.
    Thank you, Joan Jager of ADD freeSources.net

    1. Hi Joan,

      Thanks for your comment.

      Yes, it was certainly fortuitous for both of us when Taylor found my book and then wrote a lovely thank-you e-mail to me. We’ve been friends ever since.

      And, as a longtime editor, I know writing talent when I see it. 😉

      best,
      g

    2. Joan, and Gina, thank you so much. <3 Gina's book kept me married, so I have no qualms about being vulnerable and open with how much treatment has helped our family. <3

  22. I see both of my oldest kids in this. The girl who before medication, who used to scream at her brothers constantly, but who is now refusing to take a therapeutic dose of meds, and thus is frustrating to deal with again. I’m afraid to leave her along with her brothers because she she makes them do her chores.

    Then there’s our son, who is flunking out of 8th grade and attributes it all to “mean teachers.”

    Bloody hell.

  23. Oh man! This brought me to tears–both from Firecracker’s awareness of how bad it had been once she realized how good it could be, and Taylor’s moment in the shower…the release, the relief, that can only come from a good cry.

    What an amazing transformation for this entire family.

  24. Gina,
    I thank God for His help finding your ADHD Roller Coaster blog.
    I’m a senior and only recently was diagnosed with ADHD. I have Anxiety, Depression, & OCD, as long as I can remember. All my many years!
    Reading your blog, following the links provided, all are a huge help for me. I’m now aware I am not alone in this disorder. I am in treatment, CBT & medication. I have tried many different meds, hoping to find the ONE that is helpful.
    I just wanted you to know that this senior lady finds hope in all your words.
    God Bless, Jane

    1. Dear Jane,

      Thank you so much for taking the time to write those kind words.

      I’m so happy that my blog is a comfort and help to you. That’s what it’s all about.

      Sometimes it takes a combination of medications, to treat ADHD and the co-existing conditions (depression, anxiety, etc.)

      Best of luck on your treatment journey. Keep reading, and digging through the archives. There’s lots here!

      tx
      g

    2. Dear Jane (again),

      I have to tell you…..I’ve met many “senior citizens” newly diagnosed with ADHD. One 85-year-old came to our group.

      I salute you for having the courage and intelligence to pursue the ADHD line of inquiry.

      g

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