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“On With My Vent In All Its Offensive Glory”

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What does it feel like to have ADHD in a world that doesn’t always “meet you halfway” and can in fact feel devoid of empathy?

What does it feel like to never meet anyone’s expectations or to be constantly admonished for what you’ve done wrong but seldom praised for what you have worked so hard — five times as hard as most people — to do right?

This guest essay below (in the black type) from L. Friesen should give you an idea.

But first some background. For  many years, I’ve read the online “rants” from the partners of adults with ADHD.  A rant is a post wherein the writer releases long-simmering frustration. Typically, the most tortured rants come from those who are living with adults “in denial” — that is, those who cannot or will not see the adverse impact of their ADHD symptoms on everyone involved. Sometimes these adults with ADHD are so lost in their own symptoms they blame everyone else around them for their problems.  It is not a pretty picture.

Yet there exists a parallel phenomenon among adults with ADHD who must deal on a daily basis with people who are “in denial” about ADHD and the challenges they, these adults with ADHD, are up against. The denial sword cuts both ways.

Even though I do facilitate a face-to-face group for adults with ADHD (and receive many e-mails from readers of my book who themselves have ADHD), I’ve not been privy to rants from adults with ADHD (excluding those who flame me as being a Pharma Shill or other anti-psychiatry expletives). Perhaps the adults in our local group are simply polite or else their friends and loved ones are more enlightened about ADHD. I’m not sure, but I intend to ask at the next meeting.

Recently, I received this e-mail from L. Friesen, a woman who had read some of my posts on an ADHD discussion forum:Months ago I wrote to you about wanting to send you something I was writing. I realised that I was having difficulty articulating what I felt needed to be said. It’s taken months of going back and forth with it and it’s evolved from where I first started.

It’s not all that polished and I apologise for that. I find there are few in the helping area that I truly respect and you write with a sensitivity that is often very touching.  I’m curious about your response to what I wrote.

My response: a  visceral kick to the gut. I’ve always felt empathy for the challenges of adults with ADHD, including the pervasive misperceptions and myths about it, because I made a point to educate myself. But still this essay’s raw and heartfelt emotion stayed with me for days.  My gratitude goes to the writer for allowing me to share it with you, whether her words resonate for your personal experience or help you to understand the people with ADHD in your life.  Now to the essay:

I’ve observed that prefacing what you’re going to say with “I’m just venting” means you are declaring immunity from criticism for being irrational or unfair. You can be irresponsible about the casualties that read what you spew or be as bigoted as you want.

I’m invoking this “right” for myself. You will simply have to put up with my impertinence because as you already know venting is not something allowed to those who are neurologically questionable. For us it is called “making excuses” or, gotta love this one, “being negative.” I don’t care to be objective because it’s my life and my experience, which isn’t an objective experience. I’m out of control, I’m breaking the rules. This is my “oppositional defiance” and not a legitimate “vent.” Legitimacy is only for the normal. So on with my vent in all its offensive glory.

From my earliest years I recall the disapproving voices.

“Little girls do not run up and down the block screaming.”

“Look at you, you got mud all over your dress!”

“What were you thinking?”

“What is wrong with you?!”

Why did you do that?”

There was never an answer to these confusing and hurtful questions. My parents, injected with fears that they were bad, permissive parents left me no shelter from this storm of accusation. No one was coming to rescue me.

I felt like a sacrifice to public opinion and as I watched the people who loved me, more than anyone else in the world, berate me, scold me and many times slap me for reasons I not only did not but could not understand. I was just having fun; why is that wrong? “With a spoiled child this is what you do,” they were told. Or, “Just give me that child for a week and I’d fix her.” All this tough love was doomed to failure because it was based on the presupposition that I was just a “bad kid.”

I began to believe that I must be bad, that everything was my fault even if I couldn’t figure out what it was that I had done. Now I am told I care too much what others think and that I “have low self esteem.” I don’t actually believe this, it becomes impossible to manage a self-image that is bombarded with negative attributions and I need to be ever vigilant in order that “others” do not penalize me for just being myself.

From the earliest memories of my life, the treatment I received hung upon the whims and mercies of an unmerciful other out there. Never knowing when the looks would come or why. The disapproval hung thickly as if I was followed by a flock of crows. A group of crows is called a “murder,” and perhaps in some ways this is apt.

At least I was spared the indignity of having my parents “grieve” over me, and blessedly I never once grieved for my children. I never felt I was put upon by all their energy, or the homework we had to get thru each night. They broke stuff and got into all sorts of things. They did try my patience on certain days but each night, when they were asleep I’d go into their room and see what a little angel I had in each of them.

There is a certain rage  that wells up inside of me when I hear parents who are angry and resentful of their child. Or those teens who are floundering desperately and get heaped with all sorts of lingo about consequences and contracts and threats of being thrown out to fend for themselves. I look at the grievances and the blame that gets heaped on those young shoulders and wonder how they will do well. The steady drumbeat of criticism has already done its damage.

I don’t think there’s anything more offensive to me than seeing the blame perpetuate onto another generation. When I read of the suffocating control that some parents feel a need to impose to “keep their sanity,” I am filled with such that only one who’s been there can know. I was just a mom with wonderful spirited children. This must be the “distortion” that’s been invented for those of us with  ADHD that we supposedly have.

Now, as an adult, should there be leaking of any symptoms there will be room for interrogation, lots of “should” and recriminations. You see, to have ADD means that you will be subject to the continuous and damning refrain that there ‘is no excuse.’ I must look normal, and act normal, because there is no excuse for having ADHD. Oh, we’re told that it “can” be an explanation but it’s just a well worded and appropriately self deprecating acknowledgment of culpability for our crimes.

What are these crimes? It appears to be refusing to take our designated place as unworthy of actually being excused. We must always be pardoned by the grace of those rising above our behavior and proclivities. As if they’re walking around with that condescending smile and token accommodations saying “you’re welcome” to me all day long. The message also gets sent that we are ungrateful and callous for not saying thank-you for any allowance at all.

Yes, I know that mouthings are made here and there, a much rarer event than the monkish intonations of  ”You must not use ADHD as an excuse.” I am, in theory, absolved upon a rare “bad day’” but in practical terms this is not the case. I can be called to account for any leakage, the disparagement or disapproval of my failure to utilize one such device or another will inevitably come.

There really IS no excuse for having ADHD. Messages to the contrary are a salve doled out so sparingly that any usefulness is moot. My voice will not be heard and it will be excluded, my reputation precedes me. I’m one of “those” who can’t be trusted for we are ever under the critical and suspicious gaze. I have been positioned as someone of inferior reputation. I must be lying, I must be making an excuse.

It’s true though, after a lifetime of interrogations you do learn to be careful what you say when those questions begin. You learn that it’s humiliating to hand someone the stick that they will beat you with. I will be dismissed with lines like “People with ADHD lack self awareness.”

The crows overhead delight in this repetition. It doesn’t matter that the studies that noted this was true for those who were young adults and that those same studies showed that with the passage of time I become very aware. It won’t do to allow a voice that isn’t filled with anxiety and trepidation for your favour that today I performed ok. For when you accept a conspiracy theory that takes as foremost presupposition that anything offered in counter, any attempt at rebuttal, is necessarily part of the conspiracy’s attempt to deceive…then there is no truth. There cannot be, for if there is no possible falsifiability than there is no possible verifiability. No potential for error renders accuracy meaningless…no way of saying something false renders not only criticism impotent…but truth hollow. In short, any defense is labeled patronizingly as “defensiveness.”

When you’re losing ground in an argument you can always push one of the buttons on the laundry list of my diagnosis; self doubt works wonders as you throw at me that my view of reality is skewed by my condition. That I lack self awareness. It doesn’t do to point out that this lack of self awareness cuts both ways, that you are no more aware or understand the cues I send.

It is irrelevant to mention that I am inconvenienced by any number of rituals that slide so fast past your awareness because you expected and demanded that I be normal. Your reasoning becomes harsher as your unchecked expectations escalate. Your complete lack of awareness of my state leads you to characterizing your observations in the most negative and hurtful ways. I am told that should I ask for consideration that you are forced to ‘”lower your standards.” It’s a pointless exercise to wonder or dare to ask aloud; Why is it always me that needs to learn their verbal, emotional, physical language and translate mine into theirs for their comfort and heed theirs as the default rules of conduct? Why is their communication style…their processing…their outputting the one used as the template I can fill in with bits of me that are whitewashed and made more palatable for them?

Leading a simpler life with fewer things is inadequate and you will not be victimized by my needs. This leaves me no choice but to struggle onward trying to be someone I’m not. You say I mesmerized you with my hyperfocus — a bit of magic dust I covered myself with to trap and enslave you. It wasn’t that I was actually a warm, funny, decent human being with any redeeming qualities. Now, with bitterness and rank self-pity you complain that the real (inferior) me was concealed beneath a magic glow; the resentment you express over my “deception” just adds to my disorientation. You’ve made a twin of me in your mind, my normal twin, the one you really want. The one no human could ever be but that’s not really the point.

I am constantly measured against this figment twin of yours and predestined to fall short. At some point you will threaten to abandon and scorn me; and as the anxiety and the part of my brain that allows for super performance tries to stave off the loss, you watch and sighhh and commiserate that it’s just a manipulation to stave off the inevitable. I won’t truly change, you say ruefully. Because to truly change, to your standards, would require a level of perfection impossible for anyone…and ultimately the thing is that you don’t want to participate in the give and take of my coping strategies. That requires that you also maintain an uncomfortable level of vigilance while making changes to habitual ways of doing something. When you find this difficult and sometimes impossible, you throw at me that you do everything and then insist you can do no more all the while insisting that this same level of effort be maintained by me.. I’m told that you shouldn’t have to be affected by me, I should make it effortless for you.

Why is the ideal me…the “goal,” me the one in your head? On precisely what grounds did you ever conclude that you know what’s best for me?? Do I get to know what’s best for you? Show you the lovely box I’ve constructed for you from my ideality template and take you through the instructions you’ll need to follow exactly in order to wedge yourself into it so I can then fit you snugly onto my spiffy little warehouse of ideals?

You will, however, oblige me and allow me to show you how much I care for you by throwing some “opportunities” my way to make me feel better. To let me feel slightly less like I’m trying to keep a raft afloat with duct tape as little parasitic fishes poke hundreds of microscopic holes in it. You’ll let me think my floundering is potentially getting me closer to your realization that I do in fact love you and want you in my life, since you know it makes me feel better to think the often futile struggle is meaningful. Oh, and you’re welcome..

Super-efforts only last a few weeks and you can’t understand why? They do for you as well but then, you don’t have to use this part of your brain for normal performance as well. Many times you will leave, grieving for the hypothetical twin you invented making it clear I was a second rate substitute. I am left wondering if I can begin again and maybe find someone who will care about me without my own loving feelings being rated in a performance based system.

Sometimes you become bitter, angry, furious as if I’ve killed the perfect twin little by little, just by living and creating myself as doing/thinking/feeling/being/knowing _____. Each time I act/think/feel a little part of the ideal I was supposed to have been is made effete and imperfect. Where there was this glorious template, I’ve filled it in with my sh*t…my inadequacies, failures, neediness, etc…

My social timing will never be perfect and I’ll stand out from the crowd, which will lead either to unsolicited and often unhelpful advice or they will back away slowly. I strain to contain the thoughts to remember the hundreds of niceties, the correct postures, the correct lines of the conditioned script you call empathy and socially adaptive behaviour. My anxiety will spike as my mind is flooded with potential social landmines, things you give no thought to. I know that should I find myself feeling enjoyment that this is generally soon followed with a laundry list of how I’ve socially failed and embarrassed you. When I’m enjoying myself the tight hold I must maintain on my body, my facial muscles, and my thoughts loosens and “here there be dragons.”

As we finally leave this field of landmines, the exhaustion overwhelms me leaving me little ability to fend off the recriminations over my moments of unchecked control. This will be followed by finishing the list that I must accomplish before my day is done for to not do so means having to listen to you telling me I never “do” anything and you have to “do” everything. That I have just exhausted myself in “doing” for you so that your social needs will be met is swept aside as negligible. Those efforts can’t be seen so they don’t count as “doing”.

I will then awaken the next morning to go to work where similar landmines await and I’ll spend the next 8 hours jogging around them in order to preserve my employment. Should my attempts be too imperfect, the axe is waiting for me and then you will wonder why I quit yet another job. I see it coming now, when my differences reach a critical level and I begin to be treated with disdain. I move on, you unaware and nor can I tell you. I never “do” anything.

One of the “experts” is writing a book right now, it’s for you, about the “dreams” you have had to give up by getting this inferior twin you didn’t hope for. I am responsible for your dreams, how things might have been had I not been me. Did you just hear someone say “you’re welcome”? My dreams? pfft who am I in this inferior neurological caste to have dreams? Will you acknowledge several times each day that you have not lived up to the ideals imposed upon you by society, or will you make some pretense? Will you spend time lamenting your lost dreams given that you’ve perfectly executed the ideals life has set before you?

I look for support and see none around me so I go online. On many of the venues I feel vilified and if not vilified then I am certain to run into the overly cheerful, overly pumped up, positive voice of what appears to be a special ed teacher transitioning into adult practice.  These places where commentary and narratives of the non-ADHD partners share their pain. Where embarrassingly over-confident cheery tips for “handling” my  ADHD are doled out like recipes for “never fail” pastry. Where bigotry and ADHD-ist statements flow freely, where I dare not chime in my own experience as it might contradict the ongoing debasement, censure and denouncements. I was personally told it’s a measure of their pain and I have to understand. The unspoken message being that I am insensitive and blissfully unaware of my bull in a china shop ways. I need to “pay attention” so that I can learn just how destructive I am.

Reputation? I can only strangle out a bitter laugh. I damn myself the instant I confess my condition, do I not? I must indeed be selfish to be so unaware of your pain and do nothing. It couldn’t be that after a life time with no treatment and a lifetime of abuse I am in no position to do so? This, along with a complete lack of acknowledgement that what I’ve faced is a condition at all. I don’t know how to help myself, much less your pain. Your pain eclipses mine, as you are the innocent victim of my ADHD. I am cast into the role of victimizer, which adds to a lifetime’s burden of guilt. It couldn’t be that your comparing of me to “what I could be’” this fictional individual that I can never be is more often the source of your pain than anything I do or do not do?

You are my accuser/victim, you stand in the white light of absolution, for you will receive the comfort and understanding of your majority peers. As you regale your cohorts of your countless charitable acts towards me I become the freak child walking across the stage. The experts who will help you fix me have the distinct resemblance to Jerry Lewis, who pricks your conscience upon occasion over my victim status while absolving you of your resentment, your anger and your humiliating and belittling treatment of me. It’s very understandable, you’ll be told; “they” can make you crazy. You’ll toss out the occasional “I’m not perfect, either” but you wield the weapon of our symptomology and your lack of perfection remains concealed. Not very much of a level playing field is it?

Your virtues are extolled, what you put up with you poor dear, it’s a chaos and madness, the terror of the roller coaster. That flock of birds. The evil ones. They circle. Constantly ready to take yet another piece of me.… as I stare.… helplessly, emotionlessly, for you see .. to cry, to rage, to acknowledge what is being done and how my reputation is being shredded will only bring on yet another accusation of self pity. I am evil by nature. Tis my nature, said the scorpion. I must mask my nature in obedience.

I actually care that you are in pain, I’d like to help, I’d like to share with you so that you could understand where you are mischaracterizing, where you can push for more, how you can be more effective. Unfortunately, I am not credible, that crazy ADHD brain is described as out of touch with reality, it’s ‘”skewed.” Then there is the implied motive that I’m gaming you, which will drive me further from any ability of reconciliation of two very different realities. Who would take advice from a Dr. or a lawyer or a banker whose view of reality is skewed? If I correct a misperception, I am being “defensive.” There are so many methods to silence me, to discredit me, that I am left mute while the flow of your rage burns a psychological acid on my character. It would appear my role is to be one of acknowledger of how we run around and wreck people’s lives.

It’s all sewn up quite neatly and I am immobilized, a silent stone, because speaking out will bring chiding or censure; emotional reactions are forbidden to me. I must apologise and comply. After all, I need to be examined, treated and cured. Emotional reactions are a symptom of my bad brain. I must be grateful and feel privileged to be your affliction. And most of all learn to be polite about it and say “thank you.” Did you hear another “you’re welcome”?

To acknowledge shame is shameful; to acknowledge my hurt frightens you. I might “give in” and no longer march towards that destination I can never reach. That destination is to look and act and perform like an NT [neurotyical]. Everyone is taught to conceal weakness, to mask “the problem.” to hold your head high, stiff upper lip and soldier on. Should I try and conceal mine, the accusation of lying or deception is forthcoming. You will never accept that I was giving my best performance because it wasn’t good enough.

I dare not mention it for I know what’s to come. That relentless urging to be better than I am, as I am clearly not good enough. “What could you have done differently?” the kindly yet patronizing voice will ask. I dare not express frustration or demand acceptance for that lightly scolding tone will tell me I’m “being negative.” I learn that my reality and my experience and my nature is negative. To speak of the reality of it is to jeopardize a cultural need for everyone to be the same.

“Moral consciousness implies a kind of scission, a fracture of consciousness into a bright part and an opposing black part. In order to achieve morality, it is essential that the black, the dark, the Negro vanish from consciousness. Hence a Negro is forever in combat with his own image” — FRANZ FANON

I too am always in combat with my own image. I must not identify with my genetic difference for I am not the “taint,” you tell me. I should hate this part of me for it’s troublesome under functioning ways. I must play a role of diligence that at times causes such strain I feel I’ll collapse. I sneak in ways of soothing and resting myself for the next onslaught and I’m told that these methods are “not good enough.” They are in fact relieving and pleasurable and naturally that’s maladaptive. I must employ and perform a inexhaustible amount of compensatory strategies, and I must go to bed at night at a prescribed time so that I can lie awake and perform an inventory of my actions to satisfy any recrimination that I am not “taking care of myself,” making excuses or lacking empathy for you.

If this doesn’t work, then while it might be a strain on my liver, medication is the answer. My partner now sees that all is right in the world as I behave closer to “normal.” I’ve become medicalized, a project that feels like a punishment, the demand to obediently take the medications despite the intolerable feeling in my body from the side effects. The demand to obediently follow the script of wellness and getting better. I’m getting better! I’m doing better. I didn’t forget to do that thing you asked me to today. There are moments when the thinly veiled disgust washes over your face as you find my small triumph an embarrassment for it’s mundanity. It’s the price I pay to atone for being different. It’s also glaring evidence that you are living in blissful ignorance of the real struggle I am expected to make look easy. You can then sit back and say, “I can’t see you doing anything?” How true indeed.

The weird thing is I need and want to develop strengths, to pursue my goals and to live in a certain way that allows for me to be comfortable, and yet in all this narrative I feel oddly left out. I am invisiblized again. I only work at the crack of your whip not because I care to. My experience of desiring to achieve is overshadowed by your fear that I don’t have the correct desires or that I have no desires at all. Your fears and demands create such anxiety in me that my head swirls, I know something is not right, I know that I feel offended by many things, yet the relentless herding towards a satisfactory goal leaves me on my personal “trail of tears,” exhausted, confused, parts of me so undernourished that I become lost and disoriented in my own life.

I have been battling for my survival all my life. As I am disallowed any legitimate symptom I am now in a double bind because the rhetoric is designed in such a way that should I complain then I am just “buying into” a defeatist attitude or that the judgment is all in my head or that I lack empathy for those who are affected by my ADHD. It is expected of me that I will labour perpetually to become that which I will never be, a goal forever out of reach. To prove I’m normal.

Even though you can’t see all of the labours I put forth daily, I am labouring and it’s a heavy burden. What makes my burden unendurable are the needlessly ever-present insinuations and devaluations that like rain, weigh me down, often past the point of my endurance.

L. Friesen
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  1. Scott Hutson’s avatar

    I have no words that are good enough to…forgive me for not being able to find the right words. I am compelled to try. An indescribable… inside me…. that had never been touched…. has been touched tonight.

    Thank You for this moment

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    1. Gina Pera’s avatar

      You described that very well, Scott. On behalf of the author, thank you.

  2. lm’s avatar

    Word. The damage from constantly being told to “try harder” and “do better”, without being given concrete actionable info on how to do that. If I knew how/what to do I would be doing it.

    With ADD you never get a moment or day off. You have to vigilant 24×7 – no matter how tired, stressed, etc. you are – which means guaranteed failure. Sari Solden’s book on women with ADD saved me. Literally.

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  3. Katharine’s avatar

    I need to apologize to my husband, the one between us who has ADHD.

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  4. L. Friesen’s avatar

    Scott,

    Your words brought tears to my eyes. I know.

    L. F.

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  5. KMF’s avatar

    At 37, I have just been diagnosed with ADD. I cried while reading your letter. It’s as if you were narrating my life. I felt ever word. Thank you.

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  6. Mart’s avatar

    I cannot imagine how much time this took you to write. Thank you for your willingness to put your heart on your sleeve. After all the years I have been a spouse to one with ADHD, this has given me more to think about than any information I have run across in a very long time.

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  7. brenda’s avatar

    When I read this very moving transparent blog post I decided to use it to increase my awareness. My exbf was ADD and I am not. Here’s what I do when I read such a powerful article.

    • I will copy and paste the post the linked article the woman wrote.
    •I will slowly read each sentence and think how this might apply to my experience with the add boyfriend
    •I will seek to make some kind of real world personal application to our interactions (as frequently as possible) and insert these thoughts into the document in italics.
    •I will search myself for any hurtful thing I might have done without realizing
    •I will seek to understand what the adder experiences

    I usually find this activity very insightful, especially when someone has been so transparent in their writing. Thank you L. Friesen for sharing.

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  8. Jeanette’s avatar

    As a woman with ADD, and the wife and mother of two ADD’ers, as well as someone who treats adults and their partners with ADD, I am so blown away by what you have written I can hardly speak.

    What you write about the idealized twin self that charms and then (seemingly willfully) disappoints one’s partner, the sense of “I can’t win”, the despair at ever being understood, the patronizing “suggestions” about how to be better – these are all experiences I have either had or been guilty of perpetuating on another.

    I think you were put on this earth for a reason, L.Friesen – to enlighten others. Because no one I have ever read has ever articulated these complex feelings with such passion, clarity and integrity. I hope you never destroy yourself trying to “be” someone’s idealized version of you. You have a gift for saying what others are thinking and feeling that transcends any ability you lack for tact, organization, finesse, housekeeping or self control.

    I’m glad you survived the crows, L. Friesen.
    You have the voice of a prophet.
    Don’t give up.

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  9. My 2 Cents’s avatar

    It would be nice (and quite helpful) if more folks with ADD/HD, such as yourself, would consider the importance of, and therefore take the initiative to, offer up such honest, concise, and heartfelt communication regarding this condition to the world at large.

    As a nonADHD spouse of an ADHD spouse. half the battle has been this informational void regarding the firsthand ADHD experience. I have often gone out of my way to genuinely attempt to learn about it only to receive the not very helpful “I don’t know” response – if there was any response at all, in fact.

    Likewise, it is nearly impossible to accommodate a “special needs” (which, honestly, this is!) person without any reasonable explanation and insight into what those needs are. Because folks with ADHD generally make their way through society’s “checkpoints” they will necessarily find themselves on the “able” side of the “able”/”disabled” fence and will therefore, as a consequence of occupying that space, necessarily be held to the normative standards for society at large.

    On the contrary, those (such as some schizophrenics, people with Down’s syndrome, and the like, for example) who find their condition and general social demands for communication and interaction too demanding for their available ‘faculties’ are not held to the same normative standards of behavior. We exempt them from these social expectations because we are aware of their challenges and know they are trying as hard as they can. We know that for a dyslexic to make it through college and succeed on the other side will likely require more hours dedicated to homework.

    Autoimmune thyroid disease (and the accompanying brain fog and a plethora of other permanent changes) for someone who once spent nearly 2 years in medical school is no picnic either. You go from straight As to Cs in no time and need to learn to compensate. Add complete hair loss and a not-yet-diagnosed ADHD spouse and I sometimes felt I was living a slow death too.

    We thyroid folks also get the “just pop a pill” rhetoric and are left to our own devices – and initiative – to meander our way around the internet or via support groups to find head and tail and treatment. There ain’t a whole lot of sympathy for us either if we want to partake in society on the “able” side of the fence. Plenty of stigma out there regarding thyroid (many are fended off for decades with many anything from ‘too lazy to exercise’ to ‘early menopause – at 20 yrs of age!).

    But sitting back and waiting for the world to adjust to us is not an appropriate plan of action, no matter how much compounded damage has been done to one’s self-esteem. We are still responsible for finding ways of coping, for reaching out and using the information and tools that are available, and most importantly, for making an extra effort to hone in on how one’s circumstance may be affecting loved ones.

    The latter would include presenting the loved ones with a thorough illustration of how this is impacting us, how it may impact them, what contributions we CAN make, and what specific concessions/adjustments we have come to ask them to make to accommodate our circumstance. If only more folks with ADHD would truly embrace their reality (which you thoroughly detail), and grasp the inherent social responsibility (if they want to partake in general society and not hang around in a half-way house, harsh, but seriously!) by sittong down at that beloved computer and trade the video games for some hyperfocus into the ‘new’ pertinent matter at hand, I am quite convinced that their brilliance and creativity would unearth many useful and helpful insights for themselves and their loved ones.

    As a nonADHD spouse, the utter notion of witnessing such non-solicited INITIATIVE would in and of itself take a huge thorn of resentment and frustration out of the relationship – a relationship that, most likely, has already endured tremendous amount of strain and disappointment on the part of the unwitting nonADHD spouse who thought their experiences during courtship would naturally be a reasonable indicator of what might be expected from the subsequent marriage.

    I feel time and time again, that if only ADHD folks would do the appropriate thing and truly and wholeheartedly embrace their basic responsibility of, first, educating themselves and then their nonADHD spouse about the condition – from a neurobiological and personal perspective, an enormous amount of wrath, agony, and frustration – for both parties – could be easily avoided.

    I never did expect my spouse to be the one to hop on the internet or scour the shelves at the local bookstore for me in pursuit of information to solve MY thyroid/autoimmune mysteries. Perhaps the ADHDer does not expect their nonADHD spouse to cruise the boards for answers on their behalf either, but time and time again, they don’t appear too terribly busy (due to symproms, yes I know) examining how their inherent ADHD behavior (unique and lovable or not) can absolutely devastate a partner’s patience, self-esteem, need for reciprocal adult-level communication, and ability to live a life that extends beyond racing around trying to keep things together while single-handedly managing all household duties (and oftentimes also a full time job, regardless of gender).

    There is an expectation, held by an overwhelming majority of members of society, that if we wish to partake on an equal footing and be perceived as an equal member, regardless of whether we have apnea and feel like zombies because we get no sleep, or whether we must make it through the day assisted by braille and a dog, or suffer post-war consequences of PTSD or what have you, we must necessarily make an effort to understand not only how the world affects us but also how we affect the world, including what specific demands and stressors we contribute to it.

    Of those of us on the “able” side of the fence, only sociopaths are truly exempt (and are often in prison because if it) because their brains totally lack empathetic capability – they don’t know right from wrong and therefore, by default, will act accordingly. They still get to pay the price.

    So, thank you very much for taking the INITIATIVE and time to present the ADHD perspective in no uncertain terms to those of us who, however much we might try, aren’t mind readers. As a nonADHD, you lost me a few times where a re-read was necessary, but this precisely demonstrates the need for this kind of ADHD participation in this debate which is, first and foremost, about them.

    In lieu of the customary defensive and inconsiderate rhetoric, we nonADHD spouses would much prefer to see input such as yours. I am sure it took far more effort to produce than much of the rancid, defensive ADHD rhetoric we ‘lost’ nonADHD spouses often encounter in this discussion space.

    ADHDers, please emerge and fill the void with more of this constructive input so the rest of us will stand a fair chance at understanding you. If you won’t let us know you we necessarily won’t have a clue as to how to best help you (most of us really do have big hearts, even if one of your common symptoms means you may not actually notice :) .

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  10. Tyche Fortuna’s avatar

    I was an ADHD partner to a non-ADHDer (not neurotypical), who liked to claim that she did all the work to maintain the household, but the reality was that I actually did a lot more of the housework than she did, outside financial matters. It did often seem that if I forgot something that I had never actually done it and history ceased to matter, but that’s gaslighting. I find it questionable that every non-ADHD partner does everything all the time and ADHDers just sit around and do nothing. It seems like the narrative of relationships with ADHDers is almost strictly governed by non-ADHD partners, in which both ADHD and the ADHDers are constantly positioned as the problem that needs to be solved, as the one in the relationship that does nothing while the non-ADHD partner does everything, copes with everything, describes ADHD partners as burdens, as children, as needing parenting, as being incapable of communication. There seems to be an utter lack of understanding – really understanding – the kinds of challenges ADHDers face even if many non-ADHD partners have book knowledge about what ADHD is.

    My 2 Cents,

    You seem to know all the words but you don’t seem to understand the music that underlies them. The book knowledge is there, but you seem to lack either the awareness of what that really means or the ability to empathize with ADHDers, since you are so focused on where we can put our hyperfocus (as if it’s possible to control it) or whether we have enough initiative to do what you think we should be able to do on demand. L. Friesen said it took months to write this vent, to come to enough understanding to be able to write it. This is how it often is. Initiative is impaired. The ability to control what you focus on is impaired.

    I often wonder whether people who talk about disability so glibly understand that the dis part of that word means that some tasks are more difficult than others, or specifically really truly understands what it means for ADHDers to find initiating and sustaining tasks to be so difficult, because the idea that we can “just do it.” We can just “trade the video games for some hyperfocus into the ‘new’ pertinent matter at hand” even though hyperfocus is not controllable. We can just leap to a full understanding with enough study, we can overcome a lifetime of messages that say that we’re failures, that we never try hard enough, that we’re lazy, that say ADHD is trivial and the symptoms we exhibit are moral failures. We can do this, we’re told, but it’s not that simple. The point of ADHD is that focus – attention – is not easily controllable. Yes, we can decide to do things, but we cannot always decide to stick to those things. We cannot even always decide to do things.

    I think that it’s really one-sided to characterize ADHDer “rhetoric”, as defensive and iconsiderate. I think this shows a profound lack of understanding of ADHDers in general. Part of it is, a lot of ADHDers don’t really understand their symptoms, and are frustrated by them. They do understand that they’re characterized unfairly as “unwilling to try” “needing to apply themselves” as lazy, as inconsiderate, and so on, without any understanding that we – ADHDers – are often trying as hard as or harder than most neurotypicals to accomplish things with less results. We understand that these characterizations are incorrect, but it is not always easy to explain this in detail because again, ADHD can interfere with that, and living with constant messages (messages you are, by the way, reiterating at length here) that ADHD symptoms are really personal failings that can be overcome with effort means having to overcome those messages as well and understand that ADHD-caused limitations won’t just disappear if we want them gone badly enough, or if they happen to inconvenience other people and just wishing that inconvenience weren’t happening.

    It’s frustrating to see someone talk about ADHD as a real problem, but then lay the blame for actually experiencing ADHD symptoms at the feet of ADHDers. Like we somehow choose to experience these symptoms and it is our fault for not being able to turn them off on demand. And that somehow, what you see is strictly what you get, ADHDers apparently have no inner life. If you see us doing something it means that there is nothing else we’d rather be doing, and we chose to do that one thing and could easily choose to do something else. That our disability is apparently not disabling at all and we could just choose to be different.

    And that we need to be lectured on what we’re doing wrong and how to change it. I mean what kind of patronizing lecture is that you’re giving L. Friesen there about being willing to finally speak up? About how we should all be willing to stand up and educate y’all on demand because you don’t understand us well enough and can’t get your partners to explain themselves as well as you think they should (but certainly not respecting their own limits in their ability to explain themselves as well as they are able).

    There is, honestly, a lot of of ADHD commentary on the internet. I found out that I should get myself checked out by reading what other ADHDers had to say – three other ADHDers, actually. And there are more. We are not silent, but we do not apparently frequent the same online spaces that you happen to look in.

    It’s hard to take your heart as big when you spend so much energy describing our motivations, our actions, our thoughts in terms of your inaccurate perceptions, try to shame with your language, complain that ADHDers are perhaps too angry (or “rancid and defensive”) and everything we could possibly do except put as much effort as possible into setting your mind at ease as the wrong thing. It seems to me like you’re doing much of what L. Friesen was specifically venting about.

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  11. Tyche Fortuna’s avatar

    Just to clarify, no part of the above comment is in reference to Gina Pera.

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    1. Gina Pera’s avatar

      Hi Tyche,

      Thanks for your comments. You make excellent points.

      The last few years have seen a mushrooming of thoughtful blogs by people with ADHD. They offer a great window into the “lived experience” of life before diagnosis, grappling with diagnosis, and the challenges of pursuing treatment.

      For ten years, I’ve tried to “bridge the gap” between adults with ADHD and their partners, in the process trying to help everyone understand unrecognized ADHD’s effect on everyone. There can often be so much stress and confusion on both sides that it’s not easy to articulate the issues in a way that everyone can hear or process them.

      Thanks to everyone here for sharing your comments. It all adds valuably to the discourse.
      g

  12. Beth/Mom2TwoVikings’s avatar

    I wish I could say all that to my parents who still have no idea how dysfunctional, worthless, and just “wrong” I feel about myself due to the way they “handled” me growing up.

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  13. Andrew Kinsella’s avatar

    I fully understand and empathise with the original letter here.
    I was diagnosed with ADHD only bout 30 months ago.
    My recovery has been dramatic, and I now use meditation, diet and exercise to give me all the focus I need.

    I can honestly say I am not troubled by ADHD at all. I am happy in my work and family relationships. However- any ADHD person can spot me as one of the tribe a mile off.

    Quite frankly I find neurotypical communication patterns controlling and emotionally dismissive. Equally I see neurotypical patterns of social control as destructive and essentially pathological. ( Look at the current state of the environment, and the economy. There is no honour to be found in being a well adapted member of an utterly dysfunctional society).When at work I am paid to act neurotypical but when I am off duty- I expect to be able to communicate in a away that I find satisfying.

    What this means in practice is that I am totally comfortable with a lateral, rambling conversations, interrupting and tangents. I am certainly not prepared to accept neurotypical monologing or subtle forms of bullying behaviour that are accepted as social norms and indeed celebrated in most of the TV soaps we watch nowadays.

    This post needs to be understood not as a rant, but as a fully conscious declaration of the validity of the concept of neurodiversity. It is time for a revolution in social mores.

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    1. Gina Pera’s avatar

      Thanks for your comment, Andrew.

      I must say that I find little “neurotypical” in the world. All that is not ADHD is not “neurotypical,” you know. ;-)

  14. Andrew Kinsella’s avatar

    Oh I know that very well, but it is the dominant culture that causes us most of the trouble, and arguably the dominant culture that causes most of our dysfunction through its rigid insistence on one size fits all standards of education and workplace behaviour.

    I am getting very good at finding groups of people who are not ADHD and do not fit into the “neurotypical” mold. In fact I put a premium on doing so- as I see them as the most likely group in which to find good friends.

    Equally- I push the term “neurotypical” to try and jar a few people out of their acceptance of the dominant culture. Consider it an irritant- a challenge to step outside the box and consider the world from somebody else’s point of view. A little resort to cartooning may shock a few people out of complacency.

    However I do thank the autistic people who coined the term neurotypical and highlighted the lack of generosity inherent in a culture that values conformity so highly that it cannot see how its own imperatives distress different people so badly.

    I think it is totally appropriate for us to learn to function in society by adapting to our differences rather than being forced to conform.

    There are many ADHD sufferers who complain that ADHD treatment causes them to lose their creativity and not be able to be themselves.
    This is what happens when people are forced into the straightjacket that our society demands ( and is sometimes fitted for size by ADHD coaching)

    I suspect that most of the neurodiverse are more comfortable as visuospatial thinkers rather than using an auditory processing style of thinking. However if we look at the stats for that psychological characteristic, it appears to run at 40% of the population.
    Many of that group seem to manage the imprinting of the dominant culture without too much trauma.

    L.Friesen is quite right- the conventional rules of engagement in conversation such as not tolerating interruptions are quite bizarre and inappropriate and severely disadvantage many people in our society. As a rule many people seem to feel they have a god given right to monologue. The trouble is that people with visuospatial thinking styles, and active brains soon get lost in a sea of objections and confusion when subjected to this kind of approach.

    I have seen the headmistress of my daughters previous school subject a thousand tired kids and parents to a 3 hour extolling of the virtue of her schools many marvelous features, without even a toilet break. How many people does she think came away from that event with anything other than the heartfelt wish never to see her again?

    Nowadays I virtually always insist on seeing complex material (such as this near monologue) in a written form- so it can be more carefully considered.

    Equally I usually manage monologuers by pretending to lose track and asking them to start again straight after the “Now listen carefully Andrew.”
    Try it- it is great fun, as they have usually forgotten the point they were trying to make by the time they finish.

    The bottom line is, however, conversation is a 2 way street, and success does not lie in becoming clones of everybody else.

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  15. Erin’s avatar

    Wow… I’m so glad that I’m not the only one who feels this way. I was just diagnosed with the inattentive/impulsive side of ADD about two months ago. I have just finished reading “Is It You, Me, or Adult ADD?” and was disappointed to see that there was no discussion on non-ADD partner denial.

    I’ve been having the worst time with my husband. He believes that I am cruel, uncaring, and selfish. The chapters describing how ill, exhausted, and demoralized non-ADD partners can become EXACTLY narrates my husband’s experiences for our last 5 years together. Everyday just keeps getting worse and worse, and I have no idea what to do. We have the same argument everyday, and every time I even breathe a word of ADD, he tells me that I’m being defensive and making excuses. I do have problems with denial, defensiveness, and stalling, but I keep acknowledging that having ADD DOESN’T absolve me of ANY responsibilities; it just makes things more difficult to deal with. His response was that he doesn’t complain about his clinical depression making life hard, and he is still able to deal with it and be a supportive and nice partner (unlike me). I wanted to tell him that ADD is completely different from depression and can even cause it, but I decided it wasn’t worth the argument. He has refused to read any of the literature I’ve purchased or do his own research, which he typically replies with, “Why would I do anything for you when you treat me like sh*t?”

    I’m totally in a personal crisis — my own neurological-impairment-and-spousal-misunderstanding HELL.

    I’m sorry for being so dramatic, but, to put it simply, this sucks. And websites like this are the only “safe” place I can express these feelings. I have either alienated all my non-ADD friends or go to them to vent, and they just feel bad for not having any advice or see my husband as the problem. I’m currently searching for an ADD coach and any advice as to how to convince my partner to at least learn more about my disorder.

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    1. Gina Pera’s avatar

      Hi Erin,

      I’m so sorry to hear of your situation. In my book, I do briefly talk about denial in the partners of adults with ADHD Since the book is directed to the partners of adults with ADHD, though, you can see why I don’t go into great detail. After all, someone in denial wouldn’t read the book! And the book is intended to break down the denial in those who read it. As for the rest, well, you know…you can lead a horse to water…..

      One thing about my book you might have noticed: I NEVER use the term “non-ADHD partner.” Everyone else uses it but I never have. Why? Because it makes no sense! Just because a partner doesn’t have ADHD doesn’t mean they don’t have other problems (which I DO mention in my book, but in a book about ADHD, you can see why I can’t delineate every possible human pathology — there are so many!!!). And just because they have a partner with ADHD doesn’t mean they do NOT have ADHD. That happens so often! And plenty of times, the person with ADHD doesn’t know they also have a partner with ADHD — until the person gets treatment and starts seeing things clearly!

      But there are always other factors….low empathy, for example. Depression can be pretty darn debilitating, too, you know. People with ADHD don’t have the lock on impairment. ;-)

      But perhaps…perhaps….your husband might just be sucked dry because you have been (however unintentionally) “cruel, uncaring, and selfish.” Maybe he is simply exhausted from hearing what more he can do for you. If he were to actually read the book and see that it acknowledges his suffering as well, he might be more open. But if he thinks he has to read it to help YOU, well, he might have had his fill. Do you do anything to help him, to show that you care about him?

      I’ve written about this topic in different way, in my other blog for couples: Http://www.YouMeADD.org Maybe you could read those posts, along with the many comments. Maybe you could print out just one for your husband and leave it lying around for him to come across.

      In the meantime, my best advice to people with ADHD who are having trouble with family members “believing” in it is to OPTIMIZE YOUR TREATMENT. Give your loved ones PROOF that ADHD exists because you are truly changing, doing things differently than you have in the past. Give them some positive signs that will give them faith that things can improve.

      I know you are fairly new to the diagnosis, but if you haven’t tried medication, why not? That is the singlemost proven factor that will mitigate ADHD symptoms. If you are taking medication and it’s not working very well, know that you aren’t alone: You have to be pro-active in your medical care (that’s why several chapters in the book address how to optimize medication).

      Good luck,
      g

  16. Erin’s avatar

    One last word: I neglected to show my utmost appreciation for L. Friesen and her essay. I happened upon this entry through searching for “non-ADD partner denial,” and it was the one and only hit. I commented right away in a futile effort to choke back my tears at work.

    Thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you THANK YOU SO MUCH! I’m sure you may know how nice it feels to know that you aren’t a COMPLETE crazy person. :P I’ve often been called slow, self-absorbed, crazy, space cadet…you name it! Just from reading this entry and its comments, I can see that we all have shared common experiences.

    Your strength is inspiring. I want to be more courageous like you. <3

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  17. L.Friesen’s avatar

    In my book, I do briefly talk about denial in the partners of adults with ADHD Since the book is directed to the partners of adults with ADHD, though, you can see why I don’t go into great detail.

    Actually Gina I do think this needs to be stressed. It’s actually NOT true that because a partner acknowledges ADHD in their partner that they accept it or aren’t in denial about it.

    Many partners are fed a constant stream of how great things are going to be once a partner is treated and when this doesn’t happen to be the miracle cure they’ve been hoping for they are still fairly ignorant of what ADHD actually is and reflexive moralizing is the norm.

    I see a massive hesitancy of people questioning the NT partner on what they are or are not doing. It’s just not done. It’s assumed that they are ‘trying everything’ and that the adult with adhd needs to get a correct view of this situation.

    My advice to Erin is quite different actually, I don’t disagree with the suggestions you’ve given her but when I look at what she’s written I’m seeing someone with no power and no voice. She is being made responsible for his denial and when she’s climbed thru who knows how many hoops maybe then he’ll take an interest in her ADHD?

    That’s just not going to work. There is a dominant paradigm of rhetoric that steam rollers over our ability to communicate. You can even see it in the responses here with one woman frustrated and angry with her spouse. She changes the topic and runs off on any number of topics, waxes philosophical about the necessity to take responsibility and doesn’t actually address the subject at hand.

    Taking responsibility is an act of empowerment, and not necessarily an admission of culpability, but what I see most often is adults with ADHD begging for the smallest amount of understanding. Begging is not powerful, listing your failings, saying your trying and hoping against hope that someone will actually validate that yes, your partner needs to shape up too is something that adults with ADHD need to hear, their rhetoric, their answers to common refrains that position them inferiorly, position them submissively need to be spelled out.

    People will not and cannot respect a weak begger it fosters conditions that lead to emotional abuse. Instead of prefacing her request for understanding with a list of how she’s failing and then being told, well it’s probably true, you’re probably a total vacuum in the relationship and hence until you shape up you don’t actually deserve to be heard or honoured. I don’t think that’s the message that yousent or intended but it is a common enough message and it is the subtext that IS heard.

    The relationship playing field has to be leveled and there are many ways to do this. One way is the the partner with ADHD to get treatment, yet treatment alone will not solve a troubled relationship. Another is for the other partner to meet their ADHD partner as an equal. It will not help any relationship to maintain a ledger of accounts whereby the person with adhd has a negative balance and generally a substantial one.

    Leveling the playing field is understood in academic accomodations but is neglected in relationship advice. Adults with ADHD need to know HOW to level this playing field or how to respond when there’s no give. Dignity and healthy self respect are not negotiable from either side. It’s something all human being deserve.

    My advice? Follow Gina’s advice, it’s not easy to inventory where we do not meet our partners needs. Meeting ourselves with honesty and clear visions of ourselves will not destroy us, and it’s necessary for not only our partners happiness but our own. At the same time insist upon respectful treatment and be prepared to give the same. Yes, we have ADHD, Yes it causes difficulties but my having ADHD does not give licence to load me with guilt or bulldozer over very real limitations.

    Denial of ADHD is abuse, denial of how our symptoms interfere with functioning is abuse. It creates an environment where functioning diminishes. Demoralizing your ADHD partner is sabotaging not just your partner but your relationship.

    Just offering a different perspective,

    L. Friesen

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  18. Gina Pera’s avatar

    Hi L. Friesen, thanks for weighing in.

    You wrote that “I see a massive hesitancy of people questioning the NT partner on what they are or are not doing. It’s just not done. It’s assumed that they are ‘trying everything’ and that the adult with adhd needs to get a correct view of this situation.”

    I’m not sure what your vantage point is. I see plenty of people questioning the NTs (including me!) and trying to educate on what “meeting in the middle” means for both people in the couple (and it’s ALWAYS different; these people are individuals, not clones).

    I always say it takes a lot of intelligence to understand ADHD’s nature, especially as it applies to an individual, because there are so many different manifestations. No across-the-board cookie-cutter explanations or solutions. And some people just aren’t that intelligent. :-0

    I think given the poster’s comment, I replied as best I could with possibilities. Notice that she’s been diagnosed only 2 months; she might not understand herself how ADHD has affected her life, and she mentions nothing about treatment.

    And we don’t know how much reciprocity is in the relationship. We just don’t know. It can’t just be all about her, that’s for sure. And too often that is the case.

    It’s understandable that someone new to the diagnosis might be overwhelmed with the processing of it, knowing what to do next, etc. and will expect a partner to jump on board. But the sad fact is — and we cannot under-estimate this or even fully understand unless we have been in their shoes– the partners are often exhausted and hurt beyond measure. For many years.

    It can take a long time to heal these sounds, and there will be little trust (thrice+ bitten, once shy) until the “ADHD discovery” actually offers hope for change instead of more accommodation from one who is exhausted to his/her last neuron./

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  19. L.Friesen’s avatar

    Maybe my vantage point is limited, and I’m willing to acknowledge that but I do read stuff all over as much as I can and I have trouble finding it. I’d LOVE to be shown some of this. It would actually help me to see this.

    The poster didn’t actually give enough information to really say much to her other than what you did give her. For instance, I’ve never been called cruel by anyone in a relationship with me close or distant so I have trouble relating to that.

    I’m just saying, if you’re starting out your treatment journey with someone who is passive aggressively sabotaging you don’t expect much in the way of success. I am sure that’s not what people want to hear but it is a reasonable conclusion.

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    1. Gina Pera’s avatar

      Aw, but gin, how do you know for sure her husband is “passive aggressively sabotaging” her?

      Sometimes I find that people with ADHD who are not actually around a broad cross-section of other people with ADHD sometimes see issues through their own personal ADHD lens. Maybe you’ve never been called cruel because you haven’t been.

      Maybe our friend here wasn’t “cruel” on purpose (as I noted in my response) or even cruel at all, but unrecognized ADHD symptoms can lead one to be thoughtless, selfish, and lacking in empathy. Some cases of this are detailed in my book; they really exist! :-)

      For years, I’ve seen both sides of this issue of “denial” and low empathy — from the partner with ADHD and the other partner. From any angle, the issues are complex. That’s one thing I’ve learned about ADHD: no simple answers and no cookie-cutter explanations or solutions.

      Going back to our friend….I can only read what she has written and try not to extrapolate from it. For example: “but I keep acknowledging that having ADD DOESN’T absolve me of ANY responsibilities; it just makes things more difficult to deal with.”

      Notice there is no mention of treatment or “now the knowledge gives me the key to actually start developing new habits and letting go of bad ones.” There is no mention of change. I can see how, to an exhausted spouse who has long felt unloved (from the sound of it), this is not the stuff of which optimism is made. :-)

      Maybe our friend will weigh in with more details. At any rate, thanks for the discourse. Always so helpful.

  20. Erin’s avatar

    Hello Gina Pera and L.Friesen,

    Thank you both so much for taking an interest in my comment. Although my diagnosis is only a few months old, I have suspected/believed that I had ADD for at least 6 years. Looking back on my childhood, all the signs were there for inattentiveness, but like many ADD girls, I wasn’t hyperactive and did well in school.

    I have been prescribed 30 mg Adderall RX and 20 mg Citalopram (anxiety from Adjustment Disorder). I believe that there is a noticeable effect from the Adderall, but I still lack the confidence and nerve to get over my fears and take charge. I haven’t really been much of a take charge person — EVER.

    My husband is a very supportive and compassionate person. I did not intend to However, as Gina had suggested, he has become totally warn out and extremely frustrated with me. He acknowledges that ADD may be the cause of my inattentiveness but does not believe that it affects other aspects of my behavior, thinking, and life. He asserted that clinical depression is more difficult to live with because it affects everything he does, and he has been able to deal with it and live a normal life. And yet, I cannot handle common tasks and issues that should be simple to learn or are common sense because I believe ADD is debilitating, although ADD isn’t really a big deal. I understand that depression is a difficult mental and personal burden to cope with, but I do not agree with his assessment of ADD or its affect on me. (I did not mean to sound so dismissive of his own mental health issues in my own comment. That was a poor communication on my part.) I tried to voice my disagreement with this last night but was countered with the fact that he was not interested in arguing over it, just my improvement.

    There are times when I don’t understand why he says certain things to me. I do not take criticism very well. I tend to see it as negative attacks against me. My husband (AC) is very objective and direct when he talks. He tells me how he feels and what he observes with an open mind. However, I have perpetuated such a volatile and disappointing existence for so long, he has no patience with me. I get so tense and freaked out whenever I can tell he’s getting annoyed or upset that I get stuck in an infinite thought-loop in my head where I agonize over the entire situation. “Hmm…AC’s being quite. Maybe he’s tired. Maybe what I’m saying isn’t interesting. I’ll change the subject. What should I talk about? Work! Work? No…I don’t want to bring up that right now. How abouuuuut… Oh no! I haven’t been talking this whole time! Crap! He’s looking at me, and he doesn’t look happy. Oh no…what did I say? What did I do?” …and so on…

    I really love AC, and I know I’ve been the cause of all these problems and have been perpetuating them. It just really hurts my feelings when he doesn’t believe what I say. I have really messed everything up because I can’t remember conversations we’ve had or promises I’d made to change until we have the same conversation all over again. I feel like a bad person for treating AC so badly. He has often said that my treatment of him is emotional abuse. I’m not sure what actually happens when my chest tightens and burns when I hear this, but my imaginative, over-dramatic self would believe that it was my heart breaking. (Corny, I know. But that’s how I felt.)

    My diagnosis gave me some temporary comfort knowing that I ACTUALLY HAVE a neurological reason for behaving this way, that my actions were not spurred by malice, and I’m not lying through my teeth to avoid responsibility. I suppose it doesn’t really matter whether AC believes me now. Since I received Gina’s initial response, I have done a lot of thinking, and she was right. I really need to buckle down. Regardless if AC believes me, I will still have to change to salvage what I can of our relationship. I try to focus on the positive things that could come from taking more chances and trying new strategies (not walking on eggshells, making AC happy, having a family, etc) and not focusing on my feelings of impending doom, how stupid I sound, or countless other obsessive things in thought-loop.

    Anyhow…I hope that clarifies the gaps I left out. I’m happy to continue the conversation if need be. I was excited to get such a quick response or even have anyone take notice of my comment, let alone the author of the book I just read! ;) Again… thanks for listening. I cannot express enough how much I appreciate the both of you for your time, advice, insight, and compassion. And to whomever else that may be reading this, thank you.

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    1. Gina Pera’s avatar

      Hi Erin,

      Thanks so much for filling out the details. It’s so hard to give thoughtful replies without a little better understanding of the particular situation.

      To me, your words indicate a capacity for reflection and deliberation, and that paints a picture far different than that of someone who is too caught up in the whirl to notice what’s been happening over the years.

      Technically speaking, ADHD is considered the most impairing psychiatric outpatient condition, more impairing than depression or anxiety. So, even though it’s never helpful to wage a “who suffers more” contest, there will always be ways in which some people with depression can function at a higher level than some people with ADHD. Someone with depression (and no ADHD) can still be great at “keeping the trains running on time.” In fact, in Abraham Lincoln’s time, depression was seen as a “gift” — the sign of a serious, deliberative, thoughtful person with a clear grasp on reality. Unless they’re depressed to the point of being laid flat, depressed people can often function well on some level, at least when it comes to practical, day-to-day things.

      To illustrate the point, imagine the depressed person as one who is a little too attached to reality, to outcome, to consequences. And imagine the person with ADHD as a little too DEtached from reality, outcome, and consequences.

      Stress can deplete a depressed person’s “serotonin supplies” even farther, and so can add a magnifying glass to problems and obstacles. They can become more pessimistic and see little reason for optimism anywhere.

      In women, they might also develop physical disorders such as fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue, migraines, etc. Men seem less vulnerable to developing these physical disorders but their depression can also take on a different flavor than depression in women; that is, they can be more irritable and angry, more shut-down.

      Are they aware of these changes? Sometimes. But sometimes depressed people are truly convinced that their situation really is hopeless and see no reason to nurture optimism. There is that passage in my book from psychologist David Wexler, where he was depressed (but didn’t know it) and kept fault-finding in his wife, convinced that she was the problem rather than the physical injury that was keeping him bedridden.

      All this is my long way of saying, your husband’s perceptions could truly be impaired by his depression. He could be more pessimistic and less supportive than the situation merits. Then again, if he is not well-read, if he has little education in the sciences, ADHD can be a hard concept to grasp — especially with all the nonsense floating around on the Internet.

      I’d go back to my original point: The more you can focus on your own treatment and achieving some progress in dealing with your ADHD symptoms, the more you will give him undeniable proof that ADHD exists and that there is hope for change. It sounds like you’re unsure if you’re on the right treatment path. I would encourage you to re-read my chapter on medication, specifically the medical protocol. It is just not enough for a doc to hand you Adderall or any other stimulant; there needs to be a thoughtful procedure and, where possible, some psychoeducation, to help you transition from undiagnosed ADHD to late-diagnosis ADHD, with its common “emotional baggage.” Perhaps your husband’s treatment could also be optimized.

      In the meantime, I feel your pain. A friend of mine, diagnosed in the last year, has been working so hard on treatment, new strategies, etc. and has made such strides. But her partner? Well, she refuses to give an inch, refuses any encouragement or even interest in ADHD. I find it infuriating. This couple has two very young children and both work full time as teachers, with summers off. So maybe that’s part of it — lots of demands on her partner’s cognitive skills, and she just can’t afford extra time to learn about ADHD. But still, it breaks my heart for my friend. The best I can do is applaud her progress and encourage her to seek positive reinforcement from people other than her partner (for now).

      One place for you might be the discussions at http://www.addforums.com Or, if there is a CHADD meeting for adults in your area, try that. http://www.CHADD.org (“finding support”).

      At the Adult ADHD discussion group I lead locally, there are several attendees who either have no significant other or live with family members who are “in denial” about ADHD. For them, the group is an invaluable support.

      I hope this helps!
      g

  21. Dylan’s avatar

    Hey Erin, thank you for your openness.

    If your husband would take five minutes, just five minutes to read about executive functions of the brain, he would easily know that ADD is SIGNIFICANTLY more impairing than depression. Dr. Russell Barkley has stated it is the third most pervasive mental health disorder, leaving it behind the psychotic disorders: Bipolar and Schizophrenia.

    At it’s core, ADD is a problem of impaired executive functions, which include: poor working memory, problems activitating to a task, difficulty regulating emotions, etc.

    People with ADD have the working memory of someone who is older. You know the grandparent that can’t remember why they entered the living room for something. Does this sound familiar? It does for me. This has been what I’ve dealt with my entire life.

    ADD is a performance disorder! It affects everything someone does. That’s why people with ADD have money problems, will get divorced more often, and are more likely to get fired from a job. It affects what you do.

    Glazing over your post, you’ve mentioned a lot of things you struggle with.

    “And yet, I cannot handle common tasks and issues that should be simple to learn or are common sense because I believe ADD is debilitating, although ADD isn’t really a big deal.”

    Erin, remember something. It takes TWO people to cause dysfunction in a relationship. TWO.

    ADDers tend to take on so much blame while NTs pour it on as they sit back as mere victims. People with low self-esteem love to project this onto others. We don’t know any difference, because it is what we have experienced our entire lives. Consequently, we make easy scapegoats for problems.

    My ex-wife blamed the downfall of our marriage on me. I believed her, and it really hurt. I loved her so much. There’s something really interesting about this story though.

    About a year after our divorce, she was remarried. She wanted to have children and was a born-again Christian, which without a doubt sped up the marriage process. About a year after I learned of her new marriage, I was at work one day when a coworker, who went to the same church as my ex, told me something that made my eyelids open wide.

    She had been divorced again.

    Take care.

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    1. Gina Pera’s avatar

      Thanks for chiming in, Dylan.

      I’d just like to point out that we create unnecessary misery for ourselves if we put any group of people into a bucket — people with ADHD or “NTs”. Whatever those are. ;-)

      In 10 years, I’ve met thousands of people with ADHD and their partners. And the only commonalities I’ve seen are that the people with ADHD are somewhere on the ADHD spectrum and their partners are reacting to the symptoms of their partners with ADHD. After that, all bets are off!

      We’re all individuals, with many aspects to our personality.

      Oh, and by the way, many people are in dual-ADHD relationships! And even they have unique challenges, given the nature of their distinct challenges with ADHD and the rest of their personalities.

  22. Erin’s avatar

    Yes; thank you, Dylan, for your input. It definitely sounds like you know how I feel. It’s a difficult and scary place to be in. I know enough about myself to believe that I AM a good person and that I care a whole lot for other people. However, I have realized the disparity between my actions and my thoughts/feelings. I have hurt many people’s feelings or inconvenienced them to the point of giving up on our friendships. I have been in denial for so long that I had anything to do with their “abrupt” standoffish-ness and dramatically minimized or discontinued interaction. I have problems with facing issues realistically and objectively, and sometimes knowing that just makes me question myself even more. :S

    My husband is an INTJ, and I’m an ENFP, if that means anything to readers and Gina. We both agree that these personality types accurately describe us. Looking at the description of ENFP’s after my ADD diagnosis, I have to wonder if this is describing me/my personality or my ADD? Does ADD have an influence on a person’s personality as well as their symptoms in the “spectrum”? Or is it the other way around?

    To update you wonderful and sympathetic readers, I am still on the look out for a coach. However, the fees may hinder my selection or eliminate coaching as a possibility all together. I have just seen both my psychologist and psychiatrist last week and have follow up appointments for them already booked. My psychiatrist has increased my Adderall RX dosage to 40 mg. There doesn’t seem to be a significant difference from 30 mg, but only time will tell.

    My husband and I are unfortunately still not doing well. I have just been informed that I need to shape up for the holidays and make nice OR this will be the last Xmas we spend together… :’( I know that there are two of us in this relationship, but I’m apparently the one that isn’t doing my part. -____-

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    1. Gina Pera’s avatar

      HI Erin,

      When it comes to Meyers-Briggs, I find it mostly unhelpful when there is an unrecognized issue such as ADHD. Not only is the M-B not considered scientific, but it can give people the feeling that their acronym (INTJ, ENFP, etc.) is fixed, unchangeable. I think that is harmful.

      As for ADD influencing personality or vice-versa, I’d say there is probably some of both when it comes to late-diagnosis ADHD. After a few decades, it can be hard to separate the issues. Less so with children who are diagnosed young, because they don’t develop the “emotional baggage” that often comes with late-diagnosis ADHD (the poor coping strategies, the alternative explanations such as lazy, etc.)

      As for a coach, did you check with any of the ADHD coaching organizations? I think new coaches have to put in a certain number of hours and the often do this without charge. Worth a shot, anyway!

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    1. Gina Pera’s avatar

      Hi Dilton,

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