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		<title>By: Ron M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Apr 2013 19:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justin,

I was wondering if you could give me the name of the Dr. that you were able to see for the ADHD testing for the $750? What state are you in? I am in Colorado and I got quoted $4000 for all the required tests so definitely want to find someone that can do it for cheaper. How did all your testing go?

Thanks,

Ron</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justin,</p>
<p>I was wondering if you could give me the name of the Dr. that you were able to see for the ADHD testing for the $750? What state are you in? I am in Colorado and I got quoted $4000 for all the required tests so definitely want to find someone that can do it for cheaper. How did all your testing go?</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>Ron</p>
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		<title>By: Gina Pera</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gina Pera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2013 17:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish I had some answers for you, Justin.  The most useful advice I can think of is to maximize all the non-Rx strategies you can.

First, I&#039;d recommend reading Dr. Parker&#039;s book:

http://www.amazon.com/New-ADHD-Medication-Rules-Science/dp/1938467221/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1361122659&amp;sr=8-2&amp;keywords=paying+attention+to+the+meds+for+paying+attention

Then, I would suggest looking into 

--amino-acid supplements (such as tyrosine in the am, on an empty stomach)
--optimizing your diet (protein in the morning, eliminating simple sugars and carbs, etc.)
--incorporating brain-boosting exercise (aerobic in am with &quot;coordinated&quot; exercise, meaning not just running or some other &quot;rote&quot; activity but one that requires coordination and varied movements)
--making sure you&#039;re getting good sleep

I hope this helps.
Gina</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish I had some answers for you, Justin.  The most useful advice I can think of is to maximize all the non-Rx strategies you can.</p>
<p>First, I&#8217;d recommend reading Dr. Parker&#8217;s book:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/New-ADHD-Medication-Rules-Science/dp/1938467221/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&#038;qid=1361122659&#038;sr=8-2&#038;keywords=paying+attention+to+the+meds+for+paying+attention" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/New-ADHD-Medication-Rules-Science/dp/1938467221/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&#038;qid=1361122659&#038;sr=8-2&#038;keywords=paying+attention+to+the+meds+for+paying+attention</a></p>
<p>Then, I would suggest looking into </p>
<p>&#8211;amino-acid supplements (such as tyrosine in the am, on an empty stomach)<br />
&#8211;optimizing your diet (protein in the morning, eliminating simple sugars and carbs, etc.)<br />
&#8211;incorporating brain-boosting exercise (aerobic in am with &#8220;coordinated&#8221; exercise, meaning not just running or some other &#8220;rote&#8221; activity but one that requires coordination and varied movements)<br />
&#8211;making sure you&#8217;re getting good sleep</p>
<p>I hope this helps.<br />
Gina</p>
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		<title>By: Justin #2</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin #2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2013 07:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This all sounds pretty discouraging. I&#039;m a Marine veteran and just got out in 2010. I was aiming for veterinary school and have slowly been decreasing that goal since then. I&#039;ve always love flight and have just decided to start pursuing it. It&#039;s the only thing left that I can see myself doing for the rest of my life. Once I got into school again, I also got the Dx for ADD, not ADHD and my prescription to the dextroamphetamine is pretty small compared to many other people. Most of it comes from having trouble tuning people out that are around me and having a need-to-know of people coming in and out of the lecture halls. That I can surely thank my military service for, but it adds to the minor case of ADD I have. I wonder how many pilots out there have been able to pull this off. I function just fine without the medication but it helps a ton when I am in situations like that and can&#039;t shut off my trained instincts. It&#039;s heightened situation awareness, basically. Does it sound like I have a good chance of gaining waivers? I was going to try to get into an aviation major starting this fall and was considering becoming a UAV pilot for the National Guard. It&#039;s frustrating to see that this could keep me grounded! I thought I finally settled on that career that will make me happy. 

&quot;Love what you do and you won&#039;t work a single day in your life.&quot; Or something like that. I would love to hear some more advice and/or thoughts on this topic. I&#039;m nervous about the battery of tests, though. Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This all sounds pretty discouraging. I&#8217;m a Marine veteran and just got out in 2010. I was aiming for veterinary school and have slowly been decreasing that goal since then. I&#8217;ve always love flight and have just decided to start pursuing it. It&#8217;s the only thing left that I can see myself doing for the rest of my life. Once I got into school again, I also got the Dx for ADD, not ADHD and my prescription to the dextroamphetamine is pretty small compared to many other people. Most of it comes from having trouble tuning people out that are around me and having a need-to-know of people coming in and out of the lecture halls. That I can surely thank my military service for, but it adds to the minor case of ADD I have. I wonder how many pilots out there have been able to pull this off. I function just fine without the medication but it helps a ton when I am in situations like that and can&#8217;t shut off my trained instincts. It&#8217;s heightened situation awareness, basically. Does it sound like I have a good chance of gaining waivers? I was going to try to get into an aviation major starting this fall and was considering becoming a UAV pilot for the National Guard. It&#8217;s frustrating to see that this could keep me grounded! I thought I finally settled on that career that will make me happy. </p>
<p>&#8220;Love what you do and you won&#8217;t work a single day in your life.&#8221; Or something like that. I would love to hear some more advice and/or thoughts on this topic. I&#8217;m nervous about the battery of tests, though. Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Intuniv For ADHD: Dosing Details &#171; CorePsych</title>
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		<dc:creator>Intuniv For ADHD: Dosing Details &#171; CorePsych</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 18:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Gina Pera</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gina Pera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 16:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Justin,

That&#039;s a lot of dedication on your part!  

There are many things you can do to improve your brain function in the meantime -- get exercise in the morning, get enough sleep (not always easy for some people with ADHD, I know!), eat a protein breakfast in the morning. 

I wonder if it&#039;s just Adderall (and any other amphetamine stimulant) or if the methylphenidate class is prohibited as well. Same for Strattera, which is not a stimulant (but in my experience is not entirely effective as a standalone treatment for ADHD). 

I can see the reasoning. Many people with ADHD don&#039;t take their medication consistently. Or it&#039;s not the most effective medication at the best dosage. So, the testing  makes sure that you can function well without your medication (in case you don&#039;t take it!). 

Still, it does seem to penalize people who are responsible about being diagnosed and taking medication responsibly.  

Good luck!
g</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Justin,</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a lot of dedication on your part!  </p>
<p>There are many things you can do to improve your brain function in the meantime &#8212; get exercise in the morning, get enough sleep (not always easy for some people with ADHD, I know!), eat a protein breakfast in the morning. </p>
<p>I wonder if it&#8217;s just Adderall (and any other amphetamine stimulant) or if the methylphenidate class is prohibited as well. Same for Strattera, which is not a stimulant (but in my experience is not entirely effective as a standalone treatment for ADHD). </p>
<p>I can see the reasoning. Many people with ADHD don&#8217;t take their medication consistently. Or it&#8217;s not the most effective medication at the best dosage. So, the testing  makes sure that you can function well without your medication (in case you don&#8217;t take it!). </p>
<p>Still, it does seem to penalize people who are responsible about being diagnosed and taking medication responsibly.  </p>
<p>Good luck!<br />
g</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://adhdrollercoaster.org/adhd-and-driving/no-rx-for-commercial-airline-pilots-with-adhd/comment-page-1/#comment-117772</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 15:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to comment and say that I have been going through the problem of being denied my 3rd class medical because I was on Adderall.

I was diagnosed as an adult and had been on the medication for 2 years when I started work on my private pilot license in January.  The first step was being denied my medical.  The second step was a letter from the FAA stating that I could not fly with ADHD and while taking Adderall, but if I was off the medication for 90 days and could pass a battery of tests (including a UA) I could obtain my medical.  September 6th marked my 90th day off Adderall and next Monday I am taking the day off work to complete the testing.  I hope that I can pass.  This has been a very difficult path to take as I find that my symptoms are worse now than when I started taking the medication.  I would encourage shopping around for testing resources as my initial contacts quoted around $2,000 but I was able to find a doctor to do the tests for $750.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to comment and say that I have been going through the problem of being denied my 3rd class medical because I was on Adderall.</p>
<p>I was diagnosed as an adult and had been on the medication for 2 years when I started work on my private pilot license in January.  The first step was being denied my medical.  The second step was a letter from the FAA stating that I could not fly with ADHD and while taking Adderall, but if I was off the medication for 90 days and could pass a battery of tests (including a UA) I could obtain my medical.  September 6th marked my 90th day off Adderall and next Monday I am taking the day off work to complete the testing.  I hope that I can pass.  This has been a very difficult path to take as I find that my symptoms are worse now than when I started taking the medication.  I would encourage shopping around for testing resources as my initial contacts quoted around $2,000 but I was able to find a doctor to do the tests for $750.</p>
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		<title>By: Gina Pera</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gina Pera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2012 19:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Marni.  I also wrote a book that covers many of the questions you ask: &lt;em&gt;Is It You, Me, or Adult A.D.D.?&lt;/em&gt;

It&#039;s available as a paperback, a Kindle and Nook book, and as an audiobook.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Marni.  I also wrote a book that covers many of the questions you ask: <em>Is It You, Me, or Adult A.D.D.?</em></p>
<p>It&#8217;s available as a paperback, a Kindle and Nook book, and as an audiobook.</p>
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		<title>By: Marni</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2012 19:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I see now that the blog you put a link to is all about relationships!

Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I see now that the blog you put a link to is all about relationships!</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Marni</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2012 19:47:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your response!

I requested this book from the library, thanks for the recommendation.

This is something I am interested because of my significant other.  Reading the comments on your Meetup page made me curious about common experiences with ADD in relationships.  The comments seemed to be more focused on functionality in the world and coping with things like depression.

One question, for example, is how can ADD affect relationships and how can it be worked with.  Mood seems to be a huge factor but my inquiry is more about issues like not being able to contain troughs and set internal boundaries with a significant other.   The closer someone is emotionally, the more issues there are of course.  I&#039;m sure there are many other factors, so the inquiry is endless.

But you gave me a resource to look into and I appreciated it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your response!</p>
<p>I requested this book from the library, thanks for the recommendation.</p>
<p>This is something I am interested because of my significant other.  Reading the comments on your Meetup page made me curious about common experiences with ADD in relationships.  The comments seemed to be more focused on functionality in the world and coping with things like depression.</p>
<p>One question, for example, is how can ADD affect relationships and how can it be worked with.  Mood seems to be a huge factor but my inquiry is more about issues like not being able to contain troughs and set internal boundaries with a significant other.   The closer someone is emotionally, the more issues there are of course.  I&#8217;m sure there are many other factors, so the inquiry is endless.</p>
<p>But you gave me a resource to look into and I appreciated it!</p>
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		<title>By: Gina Pera</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gina Pera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Sep 2012 19:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Marni,

Actually, I just hosted a lecture here in Palo Alto with Dr. Lidia Zylowska, author of &quot;The Mindfulness Prescription for Adult ADHD.&quot;  Look for the book on Amazon.  There is a CD in the back with guided meditations.

It&#039;s true, though, that some people with ADHD will have a hard time with any meditation practice until they take medication. The two together can be quite powerful.   Some people with ADHD, depending on severity of symptoms and life situations, will be able to practice the techniques in the book without medication. It just depends on the person.

On the blog I write for CHADD, you can read a guest post by another physician who teachers Mindfulness Meditation for the ADHD community, Dr. Mark Bertin:  http://adultadhdrelationships.blogspot.com/2012/06/communicating-mindfully.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Marni,</p>
<p>Actually, I just hosted a lecture here in Palo Alto with Dr. Lidia Zylowska, author of &#8220;The Mindfulness Prescription for Adult ADHD.&#8221;  Look for the book on Amazon.  There is a CD in the back with guided meditations.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s true, though, that some people with ADHD will have a hard time with any meditation practice until they take medication. The two together can be quite powerful.   Some people with ADHD, depending on severity of symptoms and life situations, will be able to practice the techniques in the book without medication. It just depends on the person.</p>
<p>On the blog I write for CHADD, you can read a guest post by another physician who teachers Mindfulness Meditation for the ADHD community, Dr. Mark Bertin:  <a href="http://adultadhdrelationships.blogspot.com/2012/06/communicating-mindfully.html" rel="nofollow">http://adultadhdrelationships.blogspot.com/2012/06/communicating-mindfully.html</a></p>
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